[Skadi]

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Undercover Congressional investigators set up a bogus company and obtained a
license from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in March that would have allowed
them to buy the radioactive materials needed for a so-called dirty bomb.

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“The economic and psychological effects of a dirty bomb detonating on American soil would be devastating,” Mr. Coleman said in a statement Wednesday. “The N.R.C. has a pre 9-11 mindset in a post 9-11 world focusing just on preventing another Chernobyl.”

http://www.nytimes.c.../12nuke.html?hp

You know, it never ceases to amaze me that they would do this, and then let the world know. Please give these people ideas and let them know just how to do it and how badly it would affect your nation. lol

What I don't get is how Americans think they can secure other Nations (say.. Afghanistan), when their homefront is wide open?

[Couer de l'Ange]

Dirty bombs have always been easy to obtain for as long as they existed. That is the main part of their appeal.

[WilV]

And yet, for all the "ease" with which they can be obtained, not one has been used... anywhere... ever!
Clearly it's not "that" easy to obtain them. I mean, the congressional investigators would have to know what boxes to tick and what forms to send in and how to go about procuring the liscence in the first place, the everage jo off the street is not going to be able to do that. If you are capable of forging the documents then yes, you are going to be able to obtain the liscence. Forging the documents is the hard part. This is just more scare-mongering about something that's a non-issue.

[Couer de l'Ange]

Willow-Vine, on Jul 17 2007, 09:38 AM, said:

And yet, for all the "ease" with which they can be obtained, not one has been used... anywhere... ever!
Clearly it's not "that" easy to obtain them. I mean, the congressional investigators would have to know what boxes to tick and what forms to send in and how to go about procuring the liscence in the first place, the everage jo off the street is not going to be able to do that. If you are capable of forging the documents then yes, you are going to be able to obtain the liscence. Forging the documents is the hard part. This is just more scare-mongering about something that's a non-issue.

It's relative. I know what a dirty bomb is, but compared to the likes of lwoer explosives, still very hard to obtain... However they are good for an impact statement.

And also, if obtaining one is easy, doesn't mean getting in to position to use it, is easy aswell!

[Omega_Trust]

In response to Vine's statement about "not one has been used yet", there is also the aspect that such investigations and allowing the public to know this allows for further liberties for the government to take away liberties and therefore solidify a police state... It may sound like a conspiracy theory type deal, but it's a practice that has been used for quite some time now by certain agencies...

[Throne777]

I can't help but feel that, on the whole, Muslim terrorist groups are largely retarded, and couldn't pull of anything like that.
Of course that was all rather obvious to begin with, given the fact that they fully believe their invisible friend will give them lots of virgins (so chastity and immorality, in their eyes, out the window it seems) if they kill a lot of people.
And what exactly are they fighting for? Do they expect us to just let them take control of parliament? Do they REALLY think that, one day, we'll simply say 'That's enough, you can rule us like the fucking silly, intellectually backward tyrants that you are'?
Oh. and does anyone else find it funny that the term 'true believer', when abbreviated, becomes synonymous with a rather nasty disease?

Throne777

[V Whorhees]

I thought Hillary "Rotten Bottom" Clinton was a dirty bomb? Is she easy?

[WilV]

Not as easy as bill

[BlackBladeGroM]

Terrorists, even muslim terrorists, aren't as retarded as some people want to think. Beware...
Dirty boms...well, as a tool of terror, they largely SUCK. I mean that. They are relatively hard to create (see original post), relatively easy to discover (pocket radiation detection device, $20-$100) and relatively weak ("... would have contaminated an area about the length of a city block"). "Relatively" here means I compare "nuclear materials dispersion device" aka "dirty bomb" to chemicals-fused explosive device or carefully planned diversion on some potentially hazardous infrastructure point, such as gas pumping station or chemical plant. If one wants to bring forth chaos and destruction on the scale of the large city, "dirty bomb" would not be anywhere near the best option.
What I am trying to say is that Omega Trust is generally right. "Dirty bomb" is more of excuse for police state, than real weapon of terror, as were "Saddam's Nuke Ice-Cream" trucks, which were found out to be loaded with 100% plutonium-free ice cream.
History teaches us, that there is no weapon of terror more powerful, than a pistol and a hand grenade. When people are under attack, they get angry at their leaders for sitting in safety and not giving a fuck. But when leaders are under attack, people see that no one can really be safe. In such state, people would agree to anything, and that's the main goal of terrorism as political method.
Be safe.

[Hacker]

We really should believe Grom, too, because he's in a paramiliatry anti terror group of assassins and hackers.

[BlackBladeGroM]

No, you shouldn't. You also shouldn't believe Creature Feature, Sire and your gouvernment. You should believe in logic.

[Hacker]

Logic? Let's use that.

BlackBladeGroM, on Jul 18 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

Terrorists, even muslim terrorists, aren't as retarded as some people want to think. Beware...

Yeah, because trying to light your shoe on fire in an airplane just after a massive air attack using airplanes is the pinnacle of intellectual capability.

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Dirty boms...well, as a tool of terror, they largely SUCK. I mean that.

I know in the US nobody's scared of it. You don't see it on the news stations at all because frankly nobody cares. There's not people rebuilding bomb shelters from the 50's because of it.

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They are relatively hard to create (see original post),

Obtaining nuclear material is so hard you cannot go to your dentist's and rob it from their X Ray machines, which contains enough radioactive material to kill several people. This doesn't even take money. The terror cells are not heavily funded from various state and private institutions to develop more sophisticated plans. And we all know they cannot develop sophisticated plans like hijacking four planes simultaneously and crashing most of them into buildings.

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relatively easy to discover (pocket radiation detection device, $20-$100)

We all know every American not only has one of these devices but carries it at all times.

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and relatively weak ("... would have contaminated an area about the length of a city block").

Yeah, what's an entire city block of radiation sickness deaths due to a terror attack... it's only lives at stake, fuck it! There is no danger!

Logic indeed.

[Daredevil]

Dirty bombs aren't as scary as people think.

The energy from the explosion is more likely to kill you than the radiation. If you aren't in the very immediate area, the radiation effects would be almost negligible.

It's not even officially considered a "Weapon of Mass Destruction."

As the article says, the effect would be economic and psychological. Economic in that it would contaminate the immediate area. In some place like a financial district or an area full of government offices this could be a problem. Psychological in that the general public associates any form of weaponized radiation with an atom bomb.

This post has been edited by Daredevil: 18 July 2007 - 12:45 PM