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[quest2158]

I would like to get answers on what is true about werewolves.vampires,ghosts,demons,and magic.

[KellyScarletRakoczy]

There is a lot of information on this forum. You can read my article posted at vampires.com. That's a good start.

Read the interviews in this forum with Meph, Deacon Gray, Drake Mefestta and others.

Edited by KellyScarletRakoczy, 13 November 2011 - 07:41 PM.

[CultHero]

Truth is subjective. There are people who believe they are supernatural in nature, though they have no proof. Legends of vampires, werewolves and witches stem from superstitions about things that could not be explained at the time such as tuberculosis and mental illness. Clinical lycanthropy is a reconized mental illness wherein the patient actually does believe they are a wolf or some other animal. Clinical vampirism or Reinfield's syndrome is a disorder wherein the patient feels a compulsion towards drinking blood. Witches are pagans, mostly European in origin like the Druids who built Stonehenge. What was considered 'magic' hundreds of years ago is simply what we consider homoeopathic medicine these days. Most of the women who were burned at the stake during the burning times were in reality simply midwives who practised herbal medicine.

Ghosts are usually caused by peoples fear of the dark. When it's dark and quiet people become more aware of their surroundings and are more in tune with signs of danger (fight or flight mode kicks in) and sometimes people think they see or hear dangers that are not there. People are still looking for evidence of ghosts but those paranormal shows on tv, ignore them, they're rubbish.

Are vampires, werewolves and ghosts real? Probably not. Are witches real? Yes, they are a recognized religion. Is magic real? Who knows.

Edited by CultHero, 13 November 2011 - 08:28 PM.

[quest2158]

just say what you think is true and kelly im just trying to find out what the people on the forum currently think is true without searching this forum and others endlessly for what i want to find ok but ill look at what you sugested.

[Sickle]

"truth is subjective" I believe you are a dumbass Culthero who believes only what he is told to believe & since by your own words "truth is subjective" I am correct in saying this. Now see how retarded relativism is? If I say that 4+4=9 and I believe that to be true does it make it so? NO! Because truth is truth and it cannot be altered by opinion, truth is a matter of fact.

The truth of the matter is that there are far too many unexplainable reports in regards to ghosts for it simply to be a manifestation of fear, & it is well known by people of intellect that lack of proof is not proof of something not existed. One day we will undoubtedly come up with the correct instruments in order to test for any sort of proof of life after death or lack therefore of.

As to vampires this matter also remains unproven although if you study the ancient reports each one differs depending on the culture of the time so to assign it simply as something like tuberculosis is to act as if the legends of Romania are the only ones that exist where there is legends of blood suckers with various appearances across cultures, even in Hindu.

Demons have many origins & are tied to way too many things to really be narrowed down inside the same thread as ghosts & vampires. I will say however that there was a time when individuals genuinely thought that Africa was lit afire because of how far down it was and that the black race was burned alive and some kind of monster race descendant of Cain. Obviously we know this to be ignorance now.

I will post more to this later, maybe

[quest2158]

just because something does not exist does not mean it does not exist and just because it is true does not mean it is true(hard to understand I know but it does describe many things)

also im just trying to find out what you think is true or if you like your prospective and/or perspective of things.

[WladimirA]

Are you basically trying to conduct a survey of sorts as to what people believe in or know for themsleves to be true, versus those that (for their own reasons, are a bit closed minded) don't believe? Personally one's own reality is comprised of a mixture of truth (both personal truth and fact) and personal beliefs. If one has personal experience in something, that has been verified for themselves through further investigation, such an experience becomes fact and truth for them; even if one does not make such an experience public or known widespread. Thus for others, someone else's beliefs and truths may not seem plausible or possible. And such personal experiences modify what one holds as truth and fact.

This type of question could also be seen in the same type of situation one would face if they were trying to convince a follower of a deity based religion, that their chosen deity doesn't exist. They may have a belief in said deity -a rather firm belief- , and they have this as a major part of their own personal reality, which to them is truth. And they may see things throughout their lives which add personal validation that their belief in said deity, is more personal truth for them that said deity exists; and to them knowledge of this makes the belief in said deity more of a factual reality for them. As confusing as this might sound to some.

[CultHero]

Sickle, on 13 November 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

"truth is subjective" I believe you are a dumbass Culthero

And I believe you should go fuck yourself.

WladimirA, on 14 November 2011 - 12:14 AM, said:

Are you basically trying to conduct a survey of sorts as to what people believe in or know for themsleves to be true, versus those that (for their own reasons, are a bit closed minded) don't believe? .

Or is he simply looking for validation for something he wants to believe? Expecting proof before believing in something is not closed minded, it's common sense. If I told you I was a leprechaun would you take me at my word without any proof? Perhaps I myself am a supernatural creature and am just trying to throw people off the trail. It's all right to want to believe in something that cannot be proven, it's an entirely different matter to take the word of someone on the internet that they are some sort of supernatural creature that has never ever been proven to exist.

Edited by CultHero, 14 November 2011 - 04:32 AM.

[WladimirA]

And I agree that when it comes to dealing with things both on and offline that would should initially take things with a grain of salt so to speak.

[CultHero]

As a rule I don't bother to read Sickle's posts but I will clarify what I meant by 'truth is subjective'. There are no such things as supernatural werewolves, vampires and ghosts; however these terms have been co-opted by a sub-culture that identifies with these creatures and even practices acts attributed to such creatures (ie, drinking blood) therefore even though the supernatural entities do not exist one can state that those participating in the lifestyle and refer to themselves as such do indeed exist.

[quest2158]

can anyone else say what they think?

im not looking for validation or proof im just wondering what other people think and know or maybe even lie.

[KellyScarletRakoczy]

I have invested in a Stygian (Underworld) paradigm as relates to vampyrism. My view is occultic.

Edited by KellyScarletRakoczy, 14 November 2011 - 05:05 PM.

[quest2158]

well most people are ignoreing this thread probably because of the name

[KellyScarletRakoczy]

quest2158, on 14 November 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

well most people are ignoreing this thread probably because of the name

Not necessarily. Many people have stated what they believe in the past. Some people do not want to open themselves up to questions either...privacy issue.

You can always visit websites devoted to particulars but I will warn you there is a lot of infighting.

[Rhuen]

What is true and what one believes to be true may coincide or they may not. As an absolute statement it can not be given. We can look at the world with eyes we believe see common sense, but may not know dark secrets held by special individuals who may or may not exist. All clouded on many levels by perception, various people who either believe they know or are making things up for entertainment and/or intentional misdirection.
Nothing is fully black and white, not even a Zebra, reality can appear to be one thing on the surface but beneath it completly different.

[quest2158]

well i like to look at the yellow side of things

[Alexander Angellove]

@Sickle: Truth IS subjective and YOU are the dumbass. Also the one who thinks and believes what he is told to. What you perceive is just the surface if you believe that 4 + 4 always equals 8. Take any philosopher or read any manual about Logic and you will see just how subjective truth is. I doubt though that that would make a change since you had the balls to contradict Albert Einstein who said that EVERYTHING is relative. Regarding this topic, subjectivity is also an issue - there is proof that vamps and werekin exist, but not everyone will agree to the scientific nature of this proof. C.H. had a decent reply to this topic and my opinion is that a smart rational man will first investigate every normal aspect of a certain thing before calling it supernatural. Guest asked for the truth... Truth has degrees and just because you're adept to a concept and ignore all others, that doesn't make your truth universaly valid nor does it excuse the despotic reaction of denying the rest their right to an opinion. Sorry for the almost-off-topic. I just hate narrow minded people...

[WladimirA]

Other than simple curiosity, why does it really matter to you Quest, what other people believe in or don't believe? How is that going to affect or even possibly change your current personal perceptions of things?

[Rhuen]

Truth: vampires are re-animated corpses that rise from the grave.

fales: vampires are romantic and have a sex drive.
*to put it plainly girls, sorry by Edward is impotent with out a heartbeat. You see what causes an erection is blood pressure. a muscle is clamped down to prevent this, when it releases blood pressure pushes blood into the blood vessels of the phallus inflating it, in other words the dick is a bloody water balloon, emphasis on "bloody". So no heartbeat, no blood pressure, no erection.

[quest2158]

WladimirA I dont know...