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[Sickle]

Okay hypothetically try to follow me, lets say for a minute that man was more advanced at one point than he is now. Now lets assume that the advanced world became united under one name, Atlantis. Okay keep this precept in mind as I continue with my theory here.

As of yet I have never heard of a U.F.O. sighting where the observers can actually say that the U.F.O. entered into Earth's atmosphere from somewhere beyond but there are reports many times over of people seeing the exact same object submerging itself into an ocean, or river or other body of water. So what if these unidentified objects are nothing more than Atlantian means of travel through the aquatic world? Also it could help to note that I am one who is starting to believe in the hollow earth theory.

Any thoughts on this tie and also the interesting fact that the atlantian culture was known for understanding the stars, and being able to build things that would seem unreasonable to the rest of us, i.e. the pyramids.

I have more on this theory but I want to hear feedback on just this initial portion first

[Rhuen]

The Atlantian people were advanced (for their time), while the rest of the world was building mudbrick houses that were only one story tall they can cement and two story houses. while the rest of the world was crapping in a hole they had indoor plumbing.

they would have been seen as magical at the time, but their island exploded and ended their culture. the survivors spread to Greece and Italy and tried to revive their culture spreading new ideas and inventions (most of which though would never see wide use until re-invented millenia later).

They didn't have flying machines, submarines, electricity, or anything like that however. that all just build up to keep the word (advanced) in our popular culture.

I would be more inclined to believe the UFO sightings are related to a previous sentient race from this planet (dinosaur era or perhaps even before then) about which any evidence would have been removed by geological activities over time, and they have come back to investigate this world upon detecting anomalous atmospheric activities such as gas changes or the constant presence of electrical activity (from space it would look like to a specral analyser like our world was experiencing constant electrical storms).

They could be something from another dimension checking out this world as well. Something to whome the sea is a better home than the land, or just use it as a convienent cover.

[TheUnknowable]

My idea about the reson UFOs like water is that:
1) it's a good place to hide, like Rhuen said.
2) most theoretical advanced generators (fusion, antimatter, artificial sigularity, whatever) use hydrogen as a fuel source. What better place to get hydrogen than the sea?
3) after they get the hydrogen from the sea, there is oxygen left over, therefore air to breath
4) most of the mineral resources on or near the surface of Earth are under the ocean. Maybe they're mining. This would also explain why they are seen around mountain, which likely have decent amounts of untapped mineral resources.
5) oil (assuming they have any use for petrolium products.)
6) geothermal power, their are several places on the ocean floor where this could be viable.

[Sickle]

Interesting theory Rhuen although it really fails to address (and this goes for Unknown too) why no one has ever seen a U.F.O. actually enter Earth's atmosphere. We have tons of satellites up there, many of which are exclusively for viewing activity in space & not one has actually caught glimpses of U.F.O.'s in space.

But there has been documentation of them coming out of the water or going into mountains. I guess where I am going with this is why do we assume that we are the original race of this planet? Although I must say that the dimension theory by Rhuen does intrigue me. I have thought of this as well as I have looked into the concept of the worm hole as it applies to the Bermuda Triangle and the Japanese equivalent.

The Atlantian thing does make sense although I am not sure about them going to Greece considering that the true center of intellectual advancement was first the Sumerians, then the Egyptians. Although, if you want to go further back India was making advancements long before the Greeks as well.

[TheUnknowable]

Even scientists agree that humans have existed in pretty much this form for more than 100,000 years, yet the oldest recorded civilizations are only about 10,000 years old. Why couldn't an advanced civilization have arrisen during the missing 90% of human existance.
Reminds me of StarGate and the Ancients, though they were humanoids with millions of years of civilization who pretty much copied themselves onto Earth as a new species. Though originally they were the first evolution of humans on Earth, they change the Idea later. (and they had a city named Atlantis, just FYI) No reason their can't be a real older race of humans, or at least humanoids.

[Rhuen]

(Near Earth Objects)

there are millions of rocks floatng around up there, some the size of mountains. Satelites really arn't looking around well enough to see everything that comes and goes into the Earth's atmosphere. Assuming they don't just open a worm hole directly into the Earth's atmosphere.

the ones built exclusivly for viewing space are for viewing (deep space) they look at massive objects billions of light years away, or at plantes, suns, very large things, very far away.

We actually arn't very good at looking at things that are small, could potentially hide their presence from radar or don't emit such signals, and come and go.

and actually there are UFO sightings from Astronauts, usually down played, but some retired ones have come forth from time to time to report on weird lights comeing and going from the planet.

We can't observe every inch of the sky at all times, and people do report UFOs that zip straight up out of sight.

actually there is one Astronaut report, and footage of it, that I found very interesting.

A light in the distance is lazily moving about, but suddenly darts to the side as another light blasts past it coming from the surface of the Earth. As if something tried to shoot down or hit the other UFO.

The idea being, there may be more than one thing at work here.

Also no there is no such thing as a center of development for all human cultures. People do develop their own stuff indenpendently and at different rates. India, CHina, the Americas, Atlantis is strickly a mediterraneon deal (the real people were called the Minoans). Stories about them spread about Greece and Egypt, the name Atlantis was made up by I believe Plato or one of his students to lable them something. The only thing that doesn't stick is the part of the story describing Elephants being on the island, although its possible Minoans would bring exotic wild life back to their island for the wealthy.

[Rhuen]

TheUnknowable, on 10 November 2011 - 11:48 PM, said:

Even scientists agree that humans have existed in pretty much this form for more than 100,000 years, yet the oldest recorded civilizations are only about 10,000 years old. Why couldn't an advanced civilization have arrisen during the missing 90% of human existance.
Reminds me of StarGate and the Ancients, though they were humanoids with millions of years of civilization who pretty much copied themselves onto Earth as a new species. Though originally they were the first evolution of humans on Earth, they change the Idea later. (and they had a city named Atlantis, just FYI) No reason their can't be a real older race of humans, or at least humanoids.

I use a simular idea for my reality-P in my books with the race called the Qwie. Who alter the genetics and evolutionary development of native life forms of roughly the same potential shape as themselves by using a template version of their own genome to alter that of the native life form to a local equivalent.

they then come back when that species has evolved close to their likeness and enough technological development to understand what we are right now talking about, using automatied AI drones to observe and study the planet and the humanoids' development. When they come back they claim (which is true for the most part) to be the ancestors of that species and bring them (sometimes forcefully) into the Qwie Empire. *its like their own way of putting a flag on a spot of land so other races can't claim it*.

[Sickle]

I don't think I am entirely off subject here but am I the only one that thinks that the grey men appearance just looks like over-sized embryos?

[Rhuen]

I think they kind of look like featherless owls as might be seen by someone under morphine or a simular drug. Or baby birds. Yeah kind of like Embryos.

I ended up coming up with four different grey people races.

Zorat: human like with silver skin and black eyes, wear suits that have cobra like hoods, resulting in their brain fried human test subjects mistaking them for big headed aliens.

Kiem: descended from dinosaurs, resemble giant baby birds due to evolving in a placid environment. Large lower bodies, thin neck, long arms with thin fingers, large head with wide all pupil eyes. the mouth is short but is really a hard beak, it just looks like a slit from the front, but a side view or if they open it would reveal a wide mouth,

Cohora/Saradona: two realities, same basic species, of descent from a human like race after millions of years living in low gravity and genetic engineering control for this environment. Large eyes for low light and looking at screens more than anything, large heads, no hair, frail bodies.

Which actually brings to mind the very first Grey man case, which was a sci-fi book. The book wasn't about aliens, but about a time traveler from the far future in which humans evolved, those features that seperate us from apes, expanded on to make them that much different from us (flatter more pointed face, larger eyes, less hair, larger cranium, weaker bodies). It would be decades later before the same description was given to sightings of aliens.

[Caulfield]

I like the TOOL explanation: They're demons.

[quest2158]

im geting Déjà vu just by looking at this thread

[TheUnknowable]

Caulfield, on 11 November 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

I like the TOOL explanation: They're demons.

I've got a book call "Nephilim" that uses that same idea. It's fiction, but still it's seems plausible.

[Rhuen]

Caulfield, on 11 November 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

I like the TOOL explanation: They're demons.

Many abduction stories also fall in line with Faerie folklore.

Some people think the faeries and elves were really aliens,

Some people think the aliens are really elves and faeries shapeshifting

others think both are true as they are interdimensional beings who change their apperances.

[Sickle]

I think the demon thing is only remotely accurate because similar sightings have been attributed to angels as well & if you are using the current understanding of demons as being fallen angels then you would have to more properly say that U.F.O.'s are angels, fallen & otherwise. Of course, if you subscribe to this theory then you have to wonder what exactly Genesis 6 is referring to & how we can possibly tell who the Nephilim are as if you read Genesis 6 word for word you will find it says specifically that the Nephilim were around after the flood as well as before it.