[Skadi]

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the "many-worlds" interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the 'multiverse'). A new scientific theory - called biocentrism - refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling - the 'Who am I?'- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn't go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

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[Holiday]

It's more about time and space theories than about death, exactly. I don't think I completely understand it, though.

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Immortality doesn't mean a perpetual existence in time without end, but rather resides outside of time altogether.

It also mentions how a person can be "both alive and dead, outside of time."

It talks about the possibility of alternative universes. So if you die in a car crash here, maybe in another universe you don't, and your story continues. But either way, in every universe, the story will eventually end the same; with you dead.

[Kaddam]

I agree the guaranteed things in life are you will be annoyed you will have to pay a tax os some kind and you will die.

[Hellarchy]

I wonder if travel between these different "universes" would ever be possible... Say, pass through a portal and see what the world would be like if the Nazis won world war 2 or something. On the other hand, you could also pass into a universe where something has already caused an Armageddon of some kind... But what I wonder is, if these timelines run simultaneously does that mean that the past and future are irrelevant and that each timeline runs in the present, or would time travel be possible through these universes?

This post has been edited by Hellarchy: 04 January 2010 - 07:13 AM

[Vore]

Energy doesn't ever die because it never lived, but that's just entropy and entropy doesn't preserve consciousness because consciousness is in itself NOT a form of energy it is a secondary phenomenon related to bio-chemical and electrical processes.

[Æther]

So?

By that I mean "Great, we're alive in multiple universes". That's still doesn't explain what makes this current one so special for us. It's shifting the goalposts.

[Holiday]

Hellarchy, on 04 January 2010 - 04:12 AM, said:

I wonder if travel between these different "universes" would ever be possible... Say, pass through a portal and see what the world would be like if the Nazis won world war 2 or something. On the other hand, you could also pass into a universe where something has already caused an Armageddon of some kind... But what I wonder is, if these timelines run simultaneously does that mean that the past and future are irrelevant and that each timeline runs in the present, or would time travel be possible through these universes?

Or there could be an alternate universe where our world is at peace and everyone works together for the good of all, and everyone has fresh, clean water, food, a safe warm place to sleep, an education, health care, and love.

[Hellarchy]

Holiday, on 05 January 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

Or there could be an alternate universe where our world is at peace and everyone works together for the good of all, and everyone has fresh, clean water, food, a safe warm place to sleep, an education, health care, and love.

I guess my mind is in the wrong place again :laugh:

[Darkness]

I want to add some religion to the concept.

In such an existence I wonder how it fares for the spiritual concept of the soul, free-will and final judgment? Are multiple existences of ourselves sharing the same soul? Would there be multiples of ourselves in heaven or hell? Is it really fair if infinite others are born into worlds with more favorable environments for us to be "good" than others? Did each of the other worlds have a necessary savior or messiah born, offering them the same redemption? Is it a grand experiment from a divine creator like a scientist conducting thousands of the exact same experiment in a variety of materials and lab conditions?

Thanks for sharing the post. I enjoy thinking about these topics and discussing them with others.

[egoratis]

Holiday, on 04 January 2010 - 12:49 AM, said:

It's more about time and space theories than about death, exactly. I don't think I completely understand it, though.

It also mentions how a person can be "both alive and dead, outside of time."

It talks about the possibility of alternative universes. So if you die in a car crash here, maybe in another universe you don't, and your story continues. But either way, in every universe, the story will eventually end the same; with you dead.

The nature of energy, to me, seems to suggest that upon death our energies are transferred to another reality in which they continue through to infinity. However, logically, if the soul IS what draws the energy then the soul is in every one of these realities at once. Thus, one could argue that we are in every reality simultaneously. I'm afraid the presence of such alternate universes means very little except that time is relative. But the information I put forth here seems to contradict the possibility that things could happen differently than they are, will or already have - except if we disregard time and space altogether and pretend that EVERYTHING is confined and conjoined within an atmosphere that requires absolutely no space at all. In this case, everything is possible, given that there are no limitations.

This post has been edited by egoratis: 05 January 2010 - 01:30 PM

[Vanovia]

“Death” is the one sure thing. It is as so and ever will be. You are born, you live and then you die. Death is fact. It will happen. Everything living must die. There no other answers. Though unlike fact, you can believe that the soul lives on. But we have no fact of that. Energy is fact. It can be proven real. As real as death. You shoot yourself in the head you might die. But most likely you will. Though there is the fact that the body(human or otherwise) can do extraordinary things.

For example. In my family most of my members live way too long. Long enough to where most have chosen their own death. The latest one was my Grandfather. When he turned 111, he told the family he was ready to go. We didn’t take his seriously because he was walking very well, he looked about only 70 years old, still had all of his teeth and we all knew he loved life. Though the very next day for no reason at all. His very healthy body started to shut down. We then knew he was ready to go. We had made the arrangements 50 years prior for grandpa to have a great funeral. So there were no worries. Grandpa was admitted to the hospital. He only wanted to be comfortable. The doctors only gave him one week. On the 7^th day he went into a deep sleep that we thought would end up being a coma. Not so. Grandpa went to sleep but woke up. When he did so, he said, “I want a beer.” We all laugh and said to him he could not have one unless he got better. He didn’t like that answer. 3 days later he got better. He was doing so well they sent him home. Grandpa went home and got his beer. Not only that he had his last cigar and his favorite food which is Tender steak with blood gravy. One week later he went into the hospital. He said this time he was for sure. One day later he died. His death wasn’t extremely painful. But it still hurts. I think because its not the losing part that hurts. It’s the time away that hurts.

There has been one thing in my family that has been passed down. Though my family has been able to interfere with their outcome on this earth, my family has also told me we can also choose to live forever. How you ask? By simply believing you are immortal. The mind of a person is so powerful that it can do almost anything. For example: A woman wishes to get pregnant and her want becomes so strong that her body starts to react to her wishes and demands without her conscious mind being made aware. But it is the subconscious mind pulling all the strings. So her body starts to gain weight in her mid-section. Her period stops. She starts getting morning sickness and becomes moody. All the while not being pregnant. The subconscious mind is the part of the brain that continues to surprise scientist today. It will all be the enigma of the body that drives you even without your own knowledge. Yet if you can manipulate the body into believing it is pregnant, who’s to say you cant cheat death for all eternity?

All my family members like my grandfather knew this and I believe because that had this knowledge they have been able to cheat death. One thing my grandmother told me is,

“When you want to quit, you must believing in quitting to stop yourself completely. When you wish to go on you must prepare yourself to do so. It takes ten times more energy to continue than to quit. Even so All four parts of yourself must all be on board in order to truly do what you wish. Your heart, body, mind and soul must all agree. If one disagrees, you will not reach your goal. You must be able to read, understand and know your parts well first before you can go on. Do this and you shall never fail. To succeed will not longer be something that may or may not happen. It will be definite and without question.” ~Take from the journal of my grandmother Lucy L. 1894-1996.

So does death exist? Death is guaranteed. But I also believe you can change the outcome of when and possibly of how you will die.