Collation between Christianity and Vampirism

Like it or not, there is much similar with the two.

The Lords supper:
A ceremony in which bread and wine (or grape juice, depending on your denomination) is consumed in remembrance of Christ and his gifts. Matthew 26: 26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the[2] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Christians, to this day, symbolically drink their Lords blood.


Baptism:
A ceremony depicting one becoming dead, to undead.
Into water= dead
out of water= alive again.

Salvation:
Being saved from death, a promise of undeath…as well as eternal life in a kingdom of immortals.

Christ was undead. He also stated in that passage he would not drink of the fruit of the vine till his Fathers kingdom came again. Hey, that implies Christ believed booze would be in heaven!…. ok… anyway… you can see the collation between the two. Well, of course, duh, blood giving eternal life. I know, I know, So blatant not worth noting….but I thought I would anyhow.

Anything you would like to add? Any comments, suggestions, flames? New perspective on Vampiristic cults, aye?

of course there is the churches view on vampires, with the whold judas, cain, Dracula thing, Silver pieces, crosses burning....ectect....but I meant Christianity itself vampiristic....ok it was late, alright?!

I agree there is an interesting correlation.

It is responsible for a lot of the European legends. "For the Blood Is The Life Thereof" and all that. It's why the Traditional Vampire was regarded as an evil entity, it drinks what is expressly forbidden.

- lots of biblical references in the Novel Dracula.

I expect we'll see you in the Vampire Discussion forum, then.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. You could pretty much assert anything and pull up biblical passages to support them.

You are intitled to your opinion, A stretch? Umm.... I would think not.
Can you pull anything out of biblical passages? Yes.
But you see, The faith is based off of these few principals.
This isn't like "...and job had a cat..."
"Therefore, people with cats could be tormented by satan!!"

This is pain and simple, Ask any Christian, without the blood it wouldn't be. Without Jesus becoming undead, it wouldn't be.....they will tell you these things. These are not minor notes.

The blood for the covenant.
Would there be a covenant with no blood?!!

it does seem like that whole drinking blood thing is vital to a lot of denominations of Christianity...what i find funny is the people who insist that if you don't believe in THEIR version of Christianity, you can't partake of the communion. for example, i have a friend who's Catholic, and she visited a Baptist church...and they wouldn't let her take communion because she's not Baptist. biased much?

*grins* I like how you think, babe. Interesting post.

That's true Meatros (as proved by various Serial - Killers and Cult leaders) but you have to admit, the Bible is pretty big on the whole blood Issue. (and the Torah, and the Koran). It's a sacrament.

Wow, Kyle, you are so smart!! What a genius...oh and a correlation only you could come up with!

woah, Kyle you are really hot...spam sorry lol. I do see how you link the to though, I like the way you think.

That couldn't be any truer.

Well, I could go on into my own diatribe against the Paulist reinterpretation of Jesus' own teachings....

But the fact of the matter is, Jesus was not "undead". According to Christian mythology he was raised by God as per the prophesy of Jonah re: the Son of Man.

More importantly....Jesus himself did not partake of blood or blood rituals, at least not as recorded. He may have been part of the traditional Jewish blood sacrifices, but he did NOT drink blood.

The ritual of the Communion is more symbolic than literal. The wine is symbolic of Christ's blood, the Blood of the Lamb. Lambs are sacrificed in Judaism as atonement for sins, and as Christ died on the Cross, he takes on the sins of the world on himself, as the lamb does in the sacrifice.

The symbolic drinking of the blood of the new covenant is to mark acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice.

I mean come on, so what about the movies The Exorcist and The Omen? They're rife with Biblical passages but doesn't mean they're true.

I totally agree with Meatros. It's extremely far fetched. Dracula 2000 just doesn't cut it as a rational explanation of Christian vampirism. :lol:

Christ was not undead. Undead is the state of being physically dead, but seeming to be alive. (I.E. Vampires and other undead do not biologically function, however they still move, speak, eat, drink, sleep etc.)

Christ was ressurected. Raised back to life. His biological functions began again.

thank you Lord Bahamut, I got 4 posts down and was planing to say just that when I got to the bottom...yes, Jesus is not the undead, he's living

I would say that your connection between the drinking of the blood is a good one. And just for the record, Pier, Catholisism does believe that the wine is consecrated into blood. We drink Jesus' blood because it's what keeps us alive spiritually in the eyes of Heaven and Christ.

So actually, you're comparisin is between Catholisim and Vampirism, because not all Christians either exercise the communion or believe that they are actually drinking blood. Only Catholics do.

Untrue, untrue, untrue."Only catholics"....BS!!
"So actually, you're comparisin is between Catholisim and Vampirism, because not all Christians either exercise the communion or believe that they are actually drinking blood. Only Catholics do. "
Now, some christians don't....But Catholics are not the only ones to practise communion (or believe that they are actually drinking blood...most likely)
Now believing it is actual blood was not in my comparison...and has no point

un·dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-dd)
adj.
No longer living but supernaturally animated, as a zombie.

zombie

n 1: a dead body that has been brought back to life by a supernatural force

an·i·mate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-mt)
tr.v. an·i·mat·ed, an·i·mat·ing, an·i·mates
To give life to; fill with life.

I meant it in this since
un-1
pref.
Not: unhappy.
Opposite of; contrary to: unrest.
+
dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dd)
adj. dead·er, dead·est
Having lost life; no longer alive.

Now, something can not be dead and not dead.
See some trouble with the etymology here?
Familiar with the word, undone?
some dictionaries disagree, but I used the word to describe someone, or something un-dead, homogenous to the relationship of done and undone(no longer done, not done). Was dead, but is undead(no longer dead, not dead). You may have caught me in a technicality...and for that I am sorry.

Now, in some stories, a vampire can eat, sleep, think, speak, breath, You can disagree, but I would say he is alive, not a moving, mindless robot.

Nothing you guys said really contradicted with what was noted, other than the idea that there is no such collation at all, which seems kind of blind to me. There is a collation.
Infact, you merely restated my points, with negatively. I find your sarcasm insulting, as it should be, and your statements boorish and dull. I never said major collation. I said collation.
Learn some respect.

Speaking, eating, drinking, sleeping, these are all biological functions. And are impossible without supernatural(like that which raised Christ from the dead) and/or biological means.

This was a waste of time.

BTW, Christ didn't do anything that shows He was mortally alive, He could have been at some state, alive, which required no biological functions, according to text, He didn't eat anything, then he left and prior to his death said He wouldn't drink that wine 'till after the end of the world.
Look, I resent the flattery and critisism, but you guys are just looking for stuff to throw at my simplistic note.
If I said "This ball is round"
You'd say:
That's impossible!!
Round:Being such that every part of the surface or the circumference is
equidistant from the center: a round ball.

There is no such thing as a perfect line, or circle, therefore a round ball is not
either.

Wow!! How Observant!...and yet we use the term Ball("A spherical object or entity") to describe something that is near to being round.
You knew what I meant, you knew I had a point, you merely cannot acknowledge someone else's site on things....there is collation, the end...
Depending on definition of "Vampire", "Undead" and "blood" and "and"...ectect... Good gravy!! I am true by definition. I simply said there was collation, then gave possible examples. Do you possibly think if you make me look wrong by definition anything worth while will come of it?? Debate class was for losers who have to have a timer ticking to influence people. I could sit here going on for years about Who was right, but guess what, we most likely all are!!! (Depending on definition, of words like "biological", "Christ", "Christianity"....ect) Hey, guess what, everything has some degree of collation. THerefore I'm right! Yay, I Win!!

Actually, I've been comparing the simularities ....

I've always thought that religious communion seemed out of place. To me, it never made any sense.. preaching not to consume blood, for, life is in the blood...
And then turning around and saying (symbolically or not) to drink of it....

Religion has always been just a little too hypocritical for me.

You misinterpreted what I said then. I was referring to CAtholics as being the only ones who actualy believes that it's Chrit's blood. I never said only Catholics partake in communion.

BTW, I'm so glad you know how to use a dictionary.

Chaoil, if you don't want to hear criticism of your views, don't post them in a public forum. Talk to someone who agrees with you completely, in private.

Besides, you said...

....effectively inviting the forum to throw in their 2¢ worth...and then you get mad when people don't agree with you?

Sigh. You're more juvenile than I thought.



As a matter of fact, Jesus ate food after his Resurrection.



Eat that.

I win.

Indeed.

I had alluded before to the Paulist reinterpretation of Christian teachings...a reverting to the Jewish blood sacrifice rituals, as opposed to the almost Eastern philosophical bent that Jesus applied to Judaic law.

Corellating Jesus with the Sacrificial Lamb certainly puts Christianity on a collision course with the Talmud, but then so is the claim that he was the Son of God.

No wonder I stopped being a Christian when I was 17. :lol:

Chaoil, I praised you before about your discovery and now I shall say what is true. You are wrong, it says right here in the Bible:

Luke 22:8
And He sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, so that WE may eat.

Luke 22:11.5
...where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

Luke 22:15
And He said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with your before I suffer:

That last being that he can both eat and suffer. The crown of thorns drew blood, the scourging at the pillar, and the cut on his side...does not bleeding also imply that Jesus was human

I rest my case with the only proof I can give. And that, would be the text, I believe you were so bluntly refering to. And any inkling to Jesus even thinking the Lord had forsaken Him, well crap, that's enough proof to be alive...

:lol: hahaha that's really funny when someone who stopped being a Christian knows more than you....

Also, Pier is absolutely right. You did invite all comments and flames. So, hunny, don't get your undies in a bunch because I stated what I know and believe. And now you have proof that Jesus Christ ate after and before his death. So *sticks out tongue* nnnneh on you!

Eat my shorts.

:lol: hahahaha Pier you crack me up....

[quote=Chaoil,Oct 12 2003, 01:07 AM] Look, I resent the flattery and critisism, but you guys are just looking for stuff to throw at my simplistic note.
[/quote]
So if you didn't want anyone to comment on your post...why'd you post it?

[quote]Speaking, eating, drinking, sleeping, these are all biological functions. And are impossible without supernatural(like that which raised Christ from the dead) and/or biological means.[/quote]
Being raised supernaturally doesn't make you undead. It makes you someone who was dead...and for some supernatural reason is now alive.

[quote]BTW, Christ didn't do anything that shows He was mortally alive, He could have been at some state, alive, which required no biological functions, according to text, He didn't eat anything, then he left and prior to his death said He wouldn't drink that wine 'till after the end of the world.[/quote]

The very premise of Christianity is that Christ was dead...and was then reinstated with complete and total life. (I.E. real life, not undead life)

[quote]If I said "This ball is round"
You'd say:
That's impossible!!
  Round:Being such that every part of the surface or the circumference is
  equidistant from the center: a round ball.

  There is no such thing as a perfect line, or circle, therefore a round ball is not
  either.
[/quote]

Actually yes, I would say something like that.

[quote]You knew what I meant, you knew I had a point, you merely cannot acknowledge someone else's site on things....[/quote]

Yes, I do know what you meant, I do know that you had a point. But it was based on a false premise. Therefore I corrected you, don't get your panties in a bunch.

[quote]there is collation, the end...[/quote]

Using the same premise there is a correlation between Christianity and Cannibalism. The point is that using various verses you can correlate Christianity with anything.

[quote]Depending on definition of "Vampire", "Undead" and "blood" and "and"...ectect... Good gravy!! I am true by definition.[/quote]

So if you use wrong definitions then you're right? Wow, big deal. Using the right definitions one could say I'm God.

[quote]Do you possibly think if you make me look wrong by definition anything worth while will come of it?? [/quote]

I'm not making you look wrong...you ARE wrong.

[quote]Debate class was for losers who have to have a timer ticking to influence people.[/quote]

So in other words: Because you can't debate worth a damn, you place a negative label on those that can in order to make you feel better about yourself. Interesting.

[quote]I could sit here going on for years about Who was right, but guess what, we most likely all are!!! [/quote]

No, I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

[quote] Hey, guess what, everything has some degree of collation. THerefore I'm right! Yay, I Win!![/quote]

If everything has some degree of correlation, then those which have a small degree of correlation (which this does, a very small degree) can be treated as if they have no degree of correlation, because it is nothing special at all, as a matter of fact compared to the average degree of correlation, they are very low. Therefore unimportant and not worth mentioning. Therefore you lose.

looks like a good "Vampire Duscussion" to me.

~moved to Vampire Discussion~

*bows to Lord_Bahamut*
I couldn't have put it better myself. Good work!

I've been gone for a while and my reply may be a bit long in the tooth, but here goes...

As far as Blood and the Bible/Torah/Koran goes, it's a symbol or used to seal a covenant/oath. That's besides the meaning of "life is in the blood". As far as Communions go, symbolic of blood, except with the Catholics who believe in transubstantiation: "In many Christian churches, the doctrine holding that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are transformed into the body and blood of Jesus, although their appearances remain the same." (www.dictionary.com)

It must be bloody aweful if they dropped a crumb of the wafer and a mouse runs off with it. "Hey, there goes the body of Christ!"

You gotta admit it, most people are fascinated and, dare I say, obsessed with blood - and that's besided Vampirism. It's in the veins!

That's my two cents worth...

:lol: hahah I'd hate to see a eucharistic minister telling a priest in panic that a mouse ran off with a piece of Jesus...as for dropping it on the floor, the priest pickes it up and burns it....*sigh* the terrible things people do with it once it's on their hands....(except those who actually eat it)

I don't think Mentor is paying attention to this threat anymore....he must not want our so chordially invited flames and rants.. :P

hehe, i've learned more about the Bible at this forum than the rest of my life... including my years at my christian elementary school.

so: 2 cents worth. if you the word "undead" means "alive"... why do we even have the word undead? Because there are differences between alive and undead. Undead implies you have a died a true death, and have been brough back some way. Being alive... means you aren't dead. And none of that baptising crap, you don't die from that. As for Christ dying and coming back from the dead... that was
different. The Undead come back without a life, they come with a hunger for life. Such as our good little vamp friends. Christ came back with a life, because god had it done that way.

hehe, i probably have a few flaws in the arguement.... feel free to point them out.


Nicely? :P

Well, As much as I would not like to accept the idea that I was wrong. I was wrong. Obviously Jesus was alive after being dead, not undead. Undead apparently meaning the living dead, not reaminated life. He was also aparently doing things that would not be done when supernaturally animated, prior to his crucifixion.Baptism, symbolic of dying and coming back alive, also has nothing to do with vampires. When did a vampire ever die and come back to life? Never, vamps come back as the living,walking, talking, eating, sucking, dead, undead, aparently. As for all the other minor, or major, defects in my statement, consider those my defective defence against everyone else's common knowledge. It's true, I have very bad communication skills. Mildly dyslexic as well. This complete thread was moronic, I don't understand why anyone posted here in the first place. What was the point of my posting this? I have no clue.

I'm just ignorant and have a very low IQ.
Aparently, Christianity has nothing to do with Vampirism, or if anything at all, not worth mentioning. I'm sorry I wasted your time.
I hope you enjoyed commenting on this anyhow.

Actually, Baptism is what makes your original sin die, not you or anything else. Really, it's more of becoming alive for your faith. It's weird...and that's all I know about it.

Dude, I just called you Mentor, not Chaoil....what a brain fart.

Hey, we didn't mean to make you kick yourself in the ass cause you had a thought, a messed up one at that, but a thought nonetheless. I'm glad that you're one of the few human beings on earth that can admit that he's wrong and be able to live with it. Stupid world, screws us all up. Anyways, I liked your connection but you just seemed like you were acting like you knew more about christianity than anyone else...that was the part that I didn't like.

As for vampires, well, yeah, I have no comment.....