I just want to ask tthe question so maybe some people will look at this and go oh.... maybe this isn't the spot or wow this is exactly what I'm looking for.

Is there really a topic besides HLV's that this forum is meant to cover? Its definately not the possibility of Vamps because we all know that no-one is going to provide evidence to us unless they say turn to channel 3 news some guy got caught drinking blood, threw a police car on top on another and disappeared into the night after taking 12 or thirteen head shots.

So with the idea of providing evidence out and the fact that theories get ostrasized the minute posted. Is there any othher safe topics? Just curious.

I can not speak for every poster, but I will say this: If you make a claim here or elsewhere, you should expect it to be received with an amount of skepticism. The amount of skepticism should vary in the level of extraordinariness (is that a word?).

No one is actively out to discredit you, but keep in mind, if you make an extraordinary claim, not everyone is going to blindly accept it.

Clarification for you Sigma. If you make a claim (no matter how logical it may seem to us modern day sanguines) and you refuse to provide proof to anyone, you will probably be told to shut up or perhaps flamed.....This isn't always the case, but take a look at some of the threads and decide for yourself if you can handle responses that are given.

Revamp - if you continue to whine about how you were treated when you arrived here due to your own actions and flagrant flaming to begin with, you'll find my willness to call it a truce with you short lived. If you don't like that your ideas were laughed away and your logic crushed beneath the heel of reality, then leave. If you want to stay, I suggest you become a model forum user fast. You see, the administration is growing less and less patient with you.

Anyways, back to the original topic.

I'd say that this forum is indeed the very place to discuss mythological vampires. As long as you phrase your discussion subject as related to mythological vampires, anything and everything is open to discussion, as long as it is kept in mind and in typed word that it's not about real vampires.

As far as real vampires goes, plenty of things can be discussed. For example; emulated lifestyle - pros and cons of daysleeping; about the lifestyle - precautions on blood play, what are they, what should I do or not do; et al et al et al.

So far all that has really ever been tried in the recent past has been "VAMPIRES EXIST I CAN PROVE IT!". Well, fine. Prove it. Realize that you're going to be shot down fast. As it pertains to this board, mythological vampires do not exist, humans who live as vampires exist but are purely ordinary humans in every way. They simply have a lifestyle choice they are following.

Since nothing besides THEY EXIST I PROVE IT BECAUSE I AM! or arguing semantics pertaining to that idea, it seems like Real Vampires is a shitty place to be with nothing to talk about.

In the past, this area has held discussion on the possibilities of genetic aberration causing vampirelike symptons and how it pertains to the "real vampire" psychology. Trust me, this area has a LOT to discuss. We've just lately gotten ahold of some whiney people who have very tiny brains.

I'll tell you what. I'll dig up a few of the older threads and you can see some TRULY GENIUS MINDS at work discussing this and that with intelligence and fully within the rules.

hey man peace *stoned hippy voice* I wasn't referring to me man... I was suggesting in general...I'm sure if you took a look at posts that were out there, you would find that almost any claim that has been made has been met with hostility...I am trying no to refer to myself at all anymore for this very reason...thats why I didn't say "look at posts I've made" as well as I have never made a claim sooo.... I have said I am a RLV, but haven't made any other claims. :P

Ok...let's see if I can clarify a bit too...

This section is, as has been stated, for discussion around the possibility ofd vampires, why/why not they may exist, in one form or another.

This does NOT mean a clear-go on claiming you are an undead, bloodrinking creature of the night, unless you can provide some good hard evidence that this is the case.

This is NOT a forum for teenagers to take on internet personas and present themselves as mythological beings.

This is NOT a dating service for people wanting to be turned to vampires.

This is NOT a forum for people looking only to mock, ridicule and hassle those who believes they follow a vampiric lifestyle. (emphasis on the lifestyle).



This is, however, as creature mentioned, a place where you can discuss the possibilities of vampires existing, what would be required to fall in under this category, what modern vampirism means, the reasons why people feel the need to classify themselves as vampires, why vampirism has gained so much popularity the last few years, the origins of the modern vampire culture, blooddrinking - fetish or need, etc.

Just use your imagination, try to be original, there's loads to choose from.

I take it this post was made because we seem harsh on all the topics that have been posted as of late. Let me point something out though, almost all of those topics have made CLAIMS. There is not much to discuss if you make a claim. The only thing to discuss would be "How are you going to prove it to me". If you do not want to or cannot prove it, then do not make a claim.

So instead of making claims why not post some topics of discussion. They can range from "Why you immulate a vampiric lifestyle" or you can try and get all smart and post "If vampires were to need blood to live....." and yadda yadda.

If you feel you have read this post already, you have it is basicly a shorter version of what Creature and clear have stated. Maybe if people keep reading the same thing over and over, they will eventually understand this is not the place to make a claim.

Just to clarify, I very much understand the parameters of this forum, I was just curious because as was pointed out a lot of the threads (in regards to ones not making claims) still get a bit of flak. I'm not arguing that people have to accept it but I was just curious as too if there were topics that ever received a mutual respect. Not agreement on a side but just respect for the idea. Creature I hope you have some interesting threads pulled up, I would really like to take a look.

~In all regards the the matter~Peace.

I dont no what this form is about but SIGMA is awsome. He is so cool :D hes cooler than a vampire ninja :ph34r: lol

well when i first joined the whole HLV and classical vampires were talked about alll the time. but the classical vampire disscussions got NO where besides circles, for we don't know one or met one. and of course every 1-3 classical vampire disscussion was "i am a vampire."

So it's not a closed minded forum, it's just the people who are in the thread ^_^ but hey if you ever want to disscus on beliefs on classical (for that's all i really know) pm me

You know I would have to say that I really don't think that this forum has a purpose except that the creature in the beginning was probably a little interested in giving us all an example that all people are out there expanding their minds. Maybe not but I really don't know because I don't know who began this site. You would probably have to ask the forum access holder about the whole thing really. I think that this thing about classical vampires, yes, does go around in circles and I am in agreeance with HappyNoodleBoy on this one. ^_^ People need to realize that they are not just sitting alone on a hill thinking their own thoughts that no other person has thought of. Somewhere there is an original idea but sometimes most people just don't get that they are just thinking something that atleast 3 other people in the world have already thought once or twice by now. I think that people are just coming here for a purpose to relate or state that they aren't like everyone else. This forum seems to me to be for consuling your mind and your opinion on the world. I like it and I have been here for quite a while yet I barely write anything on any of these subjects mainly because just reading your thoughts is good enough for me. Overall, I think this forum is about the thought that some people are original and some people build off others to become original. Just my opinion though, so don't forget to smile! ;)

although this may stray off topic a little...hell its my thread anyways and theres not much of a true topic in here. The "original" thought is something rare I have to agree, but if anyone here has ever been in journalism or advertising or many other types of trades where brainstorming is big, you'd realize that even an old poorly conceived idea can be tweaked and reworked to something inspirational once its out there. Not to get all hokey on you guys but even great sculptures start out as a dull block of marble. It does get old when you read the same posts over and over again but everytime the person who made it comes out with a slightly different perspective that enhances your own. No matter what as long as you participate open-mindedly there is always room for personal growth and maybe someones stupid statement will spark your own original idea. Plus while not all ideas are original it is always fun to find out that a theory you may have developed is actually a theory made by some 2500 year old dead greek philosopher or mathemetician.

Yes, the route taken is off topic. But before inviting you to stick to the subject, I'll add my two cents. If you define originality as something never thought, completely new to everyone, then you are defining something nonexisting. It is maybe a correct definition for the dictionary but in reality it is improbable (I don't say impossible because *anything* could be possible).

But if you think originality as the way in which someone realaborates preexistant materials, then we have originality. You could define it better with personality and, even if it is not the same thing, this is the nearest way of originality existing in the real word.

*applause for SoulForged* I like the idea you are putting out there and originality is not just what 1 person thinks really, it is what people are really putting out as their motives and perspectives. Sorry, I will go back to topic now though so anybody got any on topic questions? *grin* ^_^

*adding a usless reply only to bow* :lol:

*trips soulforged in mid-bow* (just to add another off-topic reply)












Spam rules!!!

^_^ *Helps Soul up...just to trip over Sigma's foot.*



*SPAM RULES*

and I mean the food spam :rolleyes:

Now quit spamming.

::sits down and thinks:: :( Darn back on topic so now, I am going to put forth the idea that this is a very bland forum yes still circling around the same things constantly but at the same time I think that this forum was created for just thoughts on life. Originality in other words. Wait, haven't I already said that?

Draq

Personally I believe it was made so some people could post their ideas without fear, and then flame people when their ideas differ from theirs. Knowing that the person on the other end can't very well do anything, because this is the internet. Who knows, there's probably a lot of us here who are like 12 years old and trying to sound intellectual, even though they misinterpret things, use ill constructed grammar, don't understand definitions, and can't spell.. I see a lot of people here who can't even spell correctly... It makes me wonder about their intellectual level.. I mean if you are say, 24 (just for example) and you cannot spell the word "provoke" (for example, just a recent one I happened across).. Or when someone posts a thread about "strawman arguments" and "logical fallacies", you immediately absorb the term into your head, like it was the discovery of a lifetime, and then for the next month or so, whenever someone makes a claim, or posts something you don't like, you use those excuses to dismiss them and sound intellectual. The only point being that if you are like late teens early twenties and so forth, there should be no reason why you cannot spell simple words. And if you can't even carry on a legible argument, then what does it say about your credibility as a resource for intelligent ideas... Not much I would be persuaded to conject. I'm not saying people don't make spelling mistakes, but thake a look at some of the posts around here (the kid claiming to be a "vampologist" for a very obvious example)

no there isn`t...

You see, I peacefully (notice the word, I've not time or will to start a new fight) let you notice that this is one of the reasons for many members here wage a constant war against you. You made an entire post not requested, totally off topic, prohibited by a simple rule: Attack the issue not the person and eventually his writing skills. What was the need of doing that? Insult people who don't speak english as mother tongue and consider them idiots? Before you contest that I remind you that it was exactly what you did: "It makes me wonder about their intellectual level..". This is, in my point of view, really awful and sad at the same time. Keep for yourself your ideas about the importance of spelling and reply only to the subject from now on.
I let you notice also that Vampologist said a bunch of bullshit. Yet, nothing different from what made almost all members at their first posts (me and you not excluded). The only difference is that he never came back apologizing.

Ah, now I see. I found strange at first sight that you were speaking in general terms. Actually you weren't. I remember now that I was the author of that silly spelling error (provoque instead of provoke). I'm sorry but let me say I find VERY strange to belive you were making the first example you had in mind and had not the aim to provoke (tnx now I've learned) me.
Do you want to know why I don't take it as an offence? Because I know that: I'm italian. I know perfectly my mother tongue and I'm an appreciated writer too. I speak also french, german, latin (yes latin) and obviously english. I have few notions of spanish too. My point is: I don't need to justify myself with you for my errors, nor I need to answer you with this post. I could avoid that simply. But I dare you to learn italian with the same skill level I have in english. I have climbed here in two years and I think it is a good result if you wanna know. I have many other skills not linked necessarily to that: I play classical and electric guitar at a high level (came out of the most important Academy here, the Conservatorio) to make an ex.
Why I say all that? Because even if I don't consider myself a god, I belive to be inteligent enough. My english skills or my errors prove I am stupid? No. Simply it's not my mother tongue. So, as final word, do not fall in stupidity by criticizing people for their spelling quality. They are not dumb only because they can't spell.

edit: I won't have said all that in a normal situation but really I had to underline how stupid was your post. I'm sorry if I, that have the honour and burden to mod, went off topic. I don't want this thread to go on that way so the discussion is closed and back to the subject.

::stands up and applauds soulforged:: So... Touching... to see someone stand up for themselves peacefully and try not to get ReVamp on their tail about it.

Well, or atleast not much on their tail.

Smile! ^_^
:ph34r:
Draq

I am terribly sorry soulforged.. That was my own ignorance.. I was really disgruntled when I wrote that post. Which is no excuse.. I totally forgot to take into account that this is a possibility. I am really sorry man, that was extremely stupid of me. However there are people who are obviously 12 and claim to be noted societial figures (such as the guy claiming to be a "vampologist).... Fuck... sorry man... I deserve a kick in the ass for that one... God that was stupid.. honestly though it wasnt meant as an attack towards you, I had just finished reading that particular post made by you (with the provoke in it) and I just used it as an example....


Sorry Soulforged or anyone else who I may have offended etc. That post was severely dumb of me, and I wholly recant what I said. My deepest appologies.

Man, and I thought speaking just Spanish and English was hard enough.
Congrats, Soul...I know how hard English is as a second language as Spanish is my first language. B)

Adios...bite ya later

Man...someone change the record I think its broken

I shall apologize for my post was totally off topic and in general did not convey well the idea. It wasn't my intention to show you what I know and I can do, I'm awfully sorry. I only wanted to point out that bad writing skills of a non-mother tongue are not synonim of stupidity. Though I congrat with you, I appreciate you a lot when you're treatable. Not in the sense you should always kneel and say "Yes, master, I agree". In the sense you can express your opinions without that provoking attitude (I will use the word until the end of the world :D )you tend to assume. Remember I don't feel the need to wage a war against you every time you post. Just be peaceful and I'll be the same, I promise.



hey man, you shouldn't talk! I burst of envy every time you post! :lol: