a Wii Olympics game or what not was made using Mario vs Sonic characters. which raised the question of a larger battle or RPG type game (in the nature of Marvel vs Capcom or Namco X Capcom) respectivly.

however I looked into it, concept wise it sounds good/interesting/better than most the crap on the Wii anyway.

however while Nintendo does have a slew of "Iconic" characters good and bad to use (mostly from Mario and Zelda games) but still a large number of well knowns.

Sega has....Sonic, and his crew. Which only a few count as "Iconic" unless you really get into those games and know the lesser characters like the Crocodile and the Weasel guys ect... (Yes off the top of my head even I don't know their names and I fricken play Sonic the Hedgehog games).

So we would get a game with Mario's crew, the Zelda big wigs and probably a bunch of their monsters, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Kirby, probably a few pokemon and basically the cast from their "Brawl" games, which are a varied pack of characters.

When thinking of Sega characters outside of Sonic, the few from the consoles I could think of off the top of my head were really Capcom properties. so unless we want Madden football players & Virtua Fighters up against Goombas and Zoras we would need to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

and at the bottom buried beneath the Sonic crew these are what I found, some of whome I didn't know were
sega guys like the Shinobi ninja.

the were-beasts of "Altered Beast"

Ecco the Dolphin (oh god no in an RPG, action, or anything game).

the guys from Golden Axe,

and then it goes down hill

Alex the Kidd (not a typo), Sketch Turner from Comix Zone, Chuck D. Head from Decap Attack,
Kid Chameleon, Vector-Man, and Ristar.

yeah Mario vs Sonic would probably be better otherwise as far as "Iconic" goes Nintendo already won.

Sega had good games but none of the games really had outstanding characters like Nintendo. with Sega you mention a game and people instantly know what it is. with Nintendo you mention a name and characters come to life. Mario, Simon, Trevor, link, Samus, etc....everyone knows who those are. sonic is really the only iconic name in Sega. i found some TV or classic cartoon references but that isn't Sega only. just doing a quick look though the games the only other one i can find is Arthur, gilus thunderhead, rick, Axel stone. never realized how many sport titles they made.

The advert for that whole Wii olympics thing was retarded. A running race with Mario and Sonic? Sonic is known for reaching stupid speeds; he would have wiped the floor with that fat fuck.

And DK9, Sega made Condemned. So they win.

Throne777

I didn't see Streets of Rage get a mention... :(

thorn do you know the games from any of the Sega names i mentioned? one is fairly obvious. the others your really have to know the more popular games. no cheating using Google or a game site

Arthur I assume is from Ghouls and Ghosts, however he isn't a sega character, he belongs to either Capcom or Namco. (he was in the Namco X Capcom game's opening theme, but I don't remember which company he belongs too).

he was in ghouls and ghost as well as ghosts and goblins i believe. he isn't strictly a Sega character but he is primarily a Sega character thanks to the popularity of his games on genesis. gotta admit that gold armor was great

nothing beats the golden axe dudes. the headbutting dwarf could own every mario and zelda character ever created

Looking more into Sega has a few more heavy hitters, although most have a lack of sequals, they do pop up in other games.

most notibally Nights (the shemale dream creature)


there is also the Super Monkey ball guys, not as good though.

Space Channel Five characters like Ulala, although not as combative I would say, but that's debatable I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulala

Ryo-Hazuki from Shenmui.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryo_Hazuki

and Sega owns Sakura Wars, so a few combatitants there.
(mech-suit stuff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakura_Wars



and the weird little thing called Opa-Opa from
Fantasy Zone.

Sega does have a good long list (especially if you include bad guys as well). Only shame is unlike Nintendo characters Sega characters tend to just make cameos in each others, and other games rather than have a series of many sequals like Nintendo characters are more prone to do.

Axel Stone is Streets of Rage isn't it? I still have that game with my Mega Drive......I totally need to play my Mega Drive today.
I never got to play the 2nd one though.

Throne777

Actually there are three Streets of Rages, Throne.

i honestly didn't know they made more than one Streets of Rage. I remember it vaguely, probably own it in my large pile of Sega games, or it came out as part of a Sega Smash pack for the Genesis. I would need to play it again to remember exactly what it was.

something simular to Double Dragon right?

A little closer to Final Fight, since there's a pseudo 3D fighting board, whereas Double Dragon was almost totally flat side scroller.

Okay I think I remember it now, and the name Blaze, a girl in a tight red outfit is comeing to mind too.

Which I don't think I used the other two guys to play.

so for Nintendo vs Sega, this would give three characters, plus what ever baddies we'd want to throw in.

i wasn't looking at bad guys. jsut going by the hero names, not until the alst few years did the bad guys get to be title characters in their own games.

In Final Fight and several other side scrolling beat em ups every bad guy had a name. When you hit one of them their name would flash in the information section of the screen. Most of the baddies had generic names other than the bosses.

final fight was one of my favorite games at the time. can't beleive how much it sells for used now

isn't Final Fight a capcom game? unless I am mistaken wasn't it the one that takes place in the same universe as Street Fighter and several of that game's characters were re-used in Street Fighter Alpha?

Not sure I ever played it actually. Might have though, I remember a few different walking through the streets hitting people with pipes and what not games.

Yes it was.

Most people tend to agree that Streets of Rage 2 is the true classic amongst the trilogy with its accomplished game-play, larger sprites and techno soundtrack (Yuzo Koshiro - what a fucking legend that guy is!), whilst acknowledging Streets of Rage as the solid template that made it possible.

Streets of Rage 3 seemed to divide fans and critics alike. It was a much darker and complex game, perhaps a little less accessible than the previous two.

I just found this Fan Page for some of Koshiro's S.O.R. tracks if anyone's interested!

this game may not be far in the future.

the new Super Smash Bros. Brawl game has a few none-Nintendo third party company characters in it,

including Sonic the Hedgehog.

and speaking of sega characters with sequals, I was trying to remember how many Sonic the Hedgehog games there are, and remembering only the ones I have played, and holy crap I wasn't even close, excluding the group packs and alternate system releases Sonic has more sequals than seems normal for anything.

look at this list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games...ic_the_Hedgehog

although many are mini-games and other media, the list of actual games is still huge on there.

sega must have said, screw all the others, Sonic is money.

and here is Mario, and yes folks, Super Mario Bros. was not his first game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games

think sega would be able to survive with a new console?

why would they even try? they are makeing more money by just being a software company.

the Dream Cast was a failure, especially as Sega kept trying to only produce their own company games. this way they can charge licensing fees.

well i meant doing both. sega has had good games but they couldn't compete with nintendo on the consoles or even sony now

Sega "couldn't" and didn't would be the proper term. the Dream Cast was around at the same time as Nintendo Game Cube and Sony Playstation. the Dream Cast failed terribly, which is why Sega no longer makes its own consoles, and instead works as a third party developer.

which is for the best I suppose, after all it widens their market really. we get sega games on all three of the current consoles.

dreamcast would ahve done better if the games didn't cost so much

Dream Cast would have done better if 99% if the games weren't all Basketball and Football games ect... that came out as new games to each other every two months.

but that's neither here nore there on the production of a game where Sega vs Nintendo characters.

a lot of systems put a lot of money into making sport games. i can't tell the difference between one football game from last year and this year on the same system. but the ones we sell aren't sport titles usually. lot of side scrollers and rpg

I can tell you before looking at the link that Donkey Kong was Mario's first game.

I thought every self respecting nerd knew that? Hell, I think Mario is mostly shite and I still knew that one. 'Sides, the first Donkey Kong sucked hard.

Throne777

and how far did you manage to get before getting beat?

I would hope most people would know this, but sadly I have met some who thought Super-Mario was first.

but here is a bigger riddle.

With out looking at the list, which game was Luigi's first apperance?

I can say, that while I may not have played most of the games for either Sonic or Mario, or know much about their most recent ones, I at least got the origins down.

Speaking of latest BS, I think they are running low on ideas. I looked into and the latest Sonic game has him turn into a werewolf.

"Sonic Unleashed"

smash brothers or super smash brothers, forget the exact title

the Nintendo fighting games? eh...No, those are not Luigi's first apperance.

Mario Brothers, the game where you had to hit the turtles coming out of the pipes and then kick them off the map.

i knew i got the title wrong. oh well

Looking back we all know that it was him in the green overalls but I don't think they called him Luigi at that time. His first game where he was clearly different from Mario was Super Mario Bros 2.

I was going to say wrong, but I'll be damned I got the dates mixed up.

yep Mario Brothers. 1983

I was going to say Wrecking Crew (where Luigi is an annoying prick) but that was 1985.

So he went from second player option to bad guy, back to second player.


and for everyone else, Super Mario Bros. 2, doesn't really count as seperating Luigi from Mario too much as he was simply Luigi sprite layed over top of a pregnant woman.

Super Mario Bros. 2 was originally a game called Doki Doki Panic, that for western release was edited to have Mario characters layed over top of it. When we continued back with Super Mario Bros. 3 Luigi was back to his usual 2nd player slot.

Although I guess that game did influence his future designs as being a taller skinnier version of Mario.

jsut for fun see hwo you do game test

did well except when asked about characters and stuff from games past 1995 or so.
Plus I prefer exam types for these, better to show how much you know, rather than failing immediatly once you get even one question wrong.

you didn't notice the money at the top? the chart on the side tells you how many you got right for that time through. jsut be careful when you get the aslt one casue it looks liek you lost

They have started to do ads for the Sonic and Mario Olympics game (sonic and mario on a race track?) they must have seriously given the Sonic crew limitations, especially given how supernaturally fast and strong they tend to be for their sizes.

The commercial was clearly biased towards Mario, which given Nintendo still makes their own systems it is likely to be that way in the game too.

For a real competition between the two sides I would think a third party production would need to be in order.

the commercial had a split second showing of the two groups, and Mario next to sonic, the only other two scenes were Princess Toadstool (er I mean Princess Peach), and Wario in some games.

In the end I have only heard bad reviews from people who have played it (mostly due to the game being imbalanced towards the Mario crew).

imbalacned how?

Sonic no longer has sonic speed for one.

Basically to make things fair in the mini-game competition set up the game has, no one on either side has or can use any of their special powers.

In all even the critic reviews are bad, but mostly due to the strict rules and difficult game play (the Wii remote only adds to the hassle, like having to shake it to make a character run).

which is all a shame as the line up is pretty descent (even though I would have liked Rouge the Bat, but seeing as it doesn't matter, I neither own a Wii, nor do individual actual abilities matter).

In other words, every character is about even on game play, the only difference is really the Sprites' apperances to look like the characters but have none of the "qualities" of those characters.

kind of have to take his speed away to make it balanced though right? not much of a race if he can finish before the smoke clears from the gun

which is a problem with the game.

the whole concept of olympic mini-games was flawed, especially for the first game to bring these two together. Should have been some cross-over universe actual plot to it game instead.

i think the mini game thing is good for a quick 15 minutes if you're bored. not a bad idea overall. putting sonic in a race with only really fast characters/cars would be okay but otherwise don't let him race. javelin throwing is fine :P

which is what I liked about Sonic R.
the characters that couldn't run fast either were given vehicles (like Amy and Robotnik), or could go airborn like Tails and Knuckles.

also I wander why they left our Rouge and instead with a more obscure character like Vector.

but that's that game.

this thread is more on a larger cross-over, more Nintendo and more Sega together, and
what kind of game would that need to be?

an Adventure/Action game?

an RPG?

or a Fighting game? which would be like Brawl meets Sonic Fighters.

most all x=over games will have sonic. his group is really the only well known group from Sega but this goes back to what we already hashed out. i don't think you could really do anything besides this because of the lack of Sega characters. you have well known characters for part of your group, for an rpg anyways, and then anyone else you add would be generic for the most part.

if you want a good x-over you need to combine well knowns from both sides. marvel v capcom. jla v mk, marvel v sf, etc...a marvel/dc game like ultimate alliance would be fairly good. the dc games that are out haven't gotten many good reviews where as a few of the marvel has received better.

Sonic is hurt in the battle with Mario thanks to a few factors (which I blame the games from the last five to ten years for that).

here is a paper quiz. with out looking up anything online and only from memory write on a piece of paper the answers to these questions.

name three characters from the Mario series.

name three characters from the Sonic series.

*pretty even I guess*

name the world that the Mario characters (except Mario & Luigi) come from.

name the world prior to Sonic Adventures that the Sonic games takes place is.

*not as easy for younger audiences on that one I imagine*

and now the clincher.

name three baddies (not anti-heroes or bosses) from the Mario series.

name three baddies (not anti-heroes or bosses) from the Sonic series.

*and there was a killer*

Nintendo with its games creates not only characters but worlds, with re-used and improved on memorable enemies and locations.

Sega not so much. the Sonic games have great characters, but the bad guys after awhile switched out from comical memorable Badniks to generic mechs, and the location changed from Sonic's animal people and mystical world to Earth (am I the only one sick of humans in the Sonic games?)


I know its not directly related but i had to rant about that.