Kelly
Dec 10 2007, 04:39 PM
If one drinks blood, does that make him or her a vampire?
This is an issue that has embroiled the vampire community for years. Many would say one must have an energy deficit and the beast within makes them crave the blood. The beast, by the way, is known as the Dragon. The Dragon is the darkside of human nature.
Some Satanists drink blood to edify themselves and do not claim to be vampires. Occasionally, people will try blood just to find out what it tastes like. Sure, there could be a surge of adrenalin from doing something taboo. Ah, but if they continue to drink blood are they then vampires or not?
Many modern-day Sanguinarians (blood-drinking vampires) claim that one has to be born into vampirism. They claim that one could become addicted to drinking blood but that doesn't mean one is a vampire.
Others put forth that drinking blood defines a vampire. In other words, if one drinks blood then they are a vampire, pure and simple.
What do you think?
I suppose that all we can do is think about it, lol.
I would think that one who drinks blood is a Sanguinary Vampire.
darkality24
Dec 10 2007, 08:50 PM
well your version of the story makes sence, but it doesn't folow logic verry well.
vampires drink blood, so if you drink blood your a vampire.
it makes sense to hear, but:
humans care for there young, so if you care for your younr your a human.
the sentence has to be workable in reverse for the statement to be exclusively true. so i guess were back to square one withoug an answer.
CultHero
Dec 11 2007, 12:57 AM
There are people who have a blood fetish. They drink blood not because they are vampires but cause it makes them horny.
When someone gets a paper cut more often than not the first reaction is to suck the wound, doesn't make one a self-sustaining vampire.
It all depends on wheither or not someone wishes to refer to themselves as a vampire or not.
Kelly
Dec 11 2007, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the replies.
As far as licking a papercut and so on, I think most of us have done that. I once read there is some healing enzyme in our saliva. Heh...don't quote me on that though!
It is true about blood being sexually stimulating, which would explain in part, why some people continue to drink blood on occasion.
Fatal_love_syndrome
Dec 11 2007, 09:08 PM
I think what you really need to consider if, does the person in question gain in energy from drinking the blood. As in, does it fulfill a need for them? I think that is what makes a sang a sang.
Kelly
Dec 13 2007, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (Fatal_love_syndrome @ Dec 11 2007, 09:08 PM)

I think what you really need to consider if, does the person in question gain in energy from drinking the blood. As in, does it fulfill a need for them? I think that is what makes a sang a sang.
I agree with you. Why else drink blood? Even the fetish thing may be more than just a fetish.
ReVamp3d
Dec 22 2007, 01:34 PM
I would say (at first glance) that since people (not vampires) are able to draw energy from other sources (pranic etc.) then I don't see why they too also couldn't draw energy from blood as well, as a vampire would. Does that make them a vampire? Perhaps, perhaps not, it would mean that pretty much everyone is a vampire, if not, then I would say that being able to draw energy from blood, does not automatically mean you're a vampire. I still think the need and the dragon, are what define a vampire. But thats a pretty rigid system I suppose.
blood_pudding
Dec 27 2007, 08:33 PM
If I draw my energy from the force, am I a jedi? Nope, just crazy.
Kelly
Dec 28 2007, 12:03 AM
QUOTE (blood_pudding @ Dec 27 2007, 08:33 PM)

If I draw my energy from the force, am I a jedi? Nope, just crazy.
LOL
drk_phreak
Jan 22 2008, 02:58 PM
QUOTE (ReVamp3d @ Dec 22 2007, 06:34 PM)

I would say (at first glance) that since people (not vampires) are able to draw energy from other sources (pranic etc.) then I don't see why they too also couldn't draw energy from blood as well, as a vampire would. Does that make them a vampire? Perhaps, perhaps not, it would mean that pretty much everyone is a vampire, if not, then I would say that being able to draw energy from blood, does not automatically mean you're a vampire. I still think the need and the dragon, are what define a vampire. But thats a pretty rigid system I suppose.
point well made ... it's true Humans (so to say) draw energy from many different things, and blood most definately could be one of them. I mean example - some people do like this meat/steak rare ... aka bloody. Doesn't necessary mean they are vamps, they may just like the taste of blood!!
I think the only person who can really decide whether they are or not is the person themselves ... like all things, your live you choose ... may not always be the correct one, but at least you made it and not someone making it for you!
misan
Jan 26 2008, 07:28 AM
In my experience not all who drink blood are vampires. People drink blood for several different reasons.
In my opinion the difference is that the true vampire (Human Living Vampire is what I am referring to here) needs the blood to be healthy in body and mind.
I believe there is some energy in the blood that vampires need just like others need vitamins to be healthy.
queenofthedamned
Jan 27 2008, 11:37 PM
QUOTE (misan @ Jan 26 2008, 04:28 AM)

In my experience not all who drink blood are vampires. People drink blood for several different reasons.
In my opinion the difference is that the true vampire (Human Living Vampire is what I am referring to here) needs the blood to be healthy in body and mind.
I believe there is some energy in the blood that vampires need just like others need vitamins to be healthy.
Well said.
The term vampyre refers to anyone who needs to take in energy (in this case blood) to be healthy in mind and body.
If one is only drinking blood or using blood for sex or other means...this would be a fetish.
However, that being said some of those people may be confused to why they are so drawn to it (blood).
Perhaps they too may be vampiric.
Kelly
Jan 28 2008, 08:18 AM
QUOTE (queenofthedamned @ Jan 27 2008, 11:37 PM)

Well said.
The term vampyre refers to anyone who needs to take in energy (in this case blood) to be healthy in mind and body.
If one is only drinking blood or using blood for sex or other means...this would be a fetish.
However, that being said some of those people may be confused to why they are so drawn to it (blood).
Perhaps they too may be vampiric.
Some Luciferians and Satanists who do not claim to be vampires drink blood to edify themselves. They get a high from it. They say the high isn't because blood is taboo but that the high is from the life force in the blood. I suppose anyone can feed on pranic energy if they teach themselves how to do so. I suppose they can also become addicted to the high.
darkplace
Jan 28 2008, 10:31 AM
Well to be truly a vampire you must do more than just drink blood and be without emotion you must have the heart of a murderer and be willing to kill without hesitation so, no a blood drinker is not technicle a vampire.
queenofthedamned
Jan 28 2008, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (darkplace @ Jan 28 2008, 07:31 AM)

Well to be truly a vampire you must do more than just drink blood and be without emotion you must have the heart of a murderer and be willing to kill without hesitation so, no a blood drinker is not technicle a vampire.
I call myself a vampyre. Not only do I have emotion...I would never kill another. This tread is taking about living vampyres. We need energy to thrive. I personaly drink blood as one of the means to take in energy. There are those who drink blood, play with it, more or less just fetishes. That is what the question is asking. Are those too deemed vampyres?
I don't believe were talking about the Hollywood sterotype of what a vampire is here.
Hellarchy
Jan 28 2008, 06:48 PM
QUOTE (ReVamp3d @ Dec 22 2007, 01:34 PM)

I would say (at first glance) that since people (not vampires) are able to draw energy from other sources (pranic etc.) then I don't see why they too also couldn't draw energy from blood as well, as a vampire would. Does that make them a vampire? Perhaps, perhaps not, *it would mean that pretty much everyone is a vampire*,
Maybe that is the key. No, of course not everyone is a vampire... but perhaps everyone has the POTENTIAL to be a vampire if they find it within them. There is more to vampirism than drinking blood, of course; if a person measures up to all of the standards and practices that could be defined as vampiric, then I believe that that individual could then be classified as a vampire whether they recognized themselves as one or not.
Because being a vampire does not necessarily prevent one from being human as well, it should only make sense that being human does not prevent one from being a vampire.
If all vampires are humans, then are all humans vampires?
If no vampires are humans, then are no humans vampires?
If some vampires are humans, then are some humans vampires?
It again comes down to how you define vampire.
queenofthedamned
Jan 29 2008, 02:14 AM
QUOTE (Hellarchy @ Jan 28 2008, 03:48 PM)

Maybe that is the key. No, of course not everyone is a vampire... but perhaps everyone has the POTENTIAL to be a vampire if they find it within them. There is more to vampirism than drinking blood, of course; if a person measures up to all of the standards and practices that could be defined as vampiric, then I believe that that individual could then be classified as a vampire whether they recognized themselves as one or not.
Because being a vampire does not necessarily prevent one from being human as well, it should only make sense that being human does not prevent one from being a vampire.
If all vampires are humans, then are all humans vampires?
If no vampires are humans, then are no humans vampires?
If some vampires are humans, then are some humans vampires?
It again comes down to how you define vampire.
My head hurts
CultHero
Jan 30 2008, 06:28 AM
QUOTE (queenofthedamned @ Jan 28 2008, 04:51 PM)

I don't believe were talking about the Hollywood sterotype of what a vampire is here.
See, this is the type of statement that keeps me from posting often in the vampire section. No offense meant but the 'Hollywood stereotype' of the vampire is based on myth and folklore. There is a vast amount of information on vampire folklore that simply gets whitewashed as 'Hollywood stereotype' and pooh poohed because it's not about 'real' vampires. Something doesn't have to be real to be interesting. There are thousands of different types of folklore that though are not real are still part of human culture. Just because Odin and Thor aren't considered real doesn't make Norse mythology less interesting, same with Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Chinese ect. ect. There are scholars that spend their entire lives studying something that 'isn't real' but is still important because it's a view to humanities past and how humans have evolved over thousands of years. You learn a lot about a culture by their mythology and folklore and considering there are different vampire myths found in almost every part of the world vampire folklore still remains a very interesting topic for many people.
Now, I'm sure darkplace is probably basing their theory on an Anne Rice novel or Underworld but not every topic on the vampire section should have to revolve around HLVs.
darkplace
Jan 30 2008, 10:28 AM
Hey guys look i'm sorry if my cousin offended you but me and him share this name because i created and its his computer so any stupid remarks are from him and the smart ones are from me.
Now on the topic of vampires and that stuff i my self am one i think that you might be a vampire if you drink blood but just because do that doesn't mean you are a vampire. Lets look a Erzabet Bathory, she was reported to bath in blood to keep her youth, right, and she would also drink the blood of the very beautify girls that she killed. There is no proof to clarify if she was a vampire or not, she never called herself a vampire but some people asume that she was one. Vlad the Empaler wasn't ever even known to drink blood but people called him a vampire. I my self call my self a vampire, i drink blood but i don't kill people. I get my blood from my wife and my self. So i don't think that if you drink blood you have to be a vampire but you could be.
Audoin Scylding
Feb 2 2008, 03:14 AM
QUOTE
Vlad the Empaler wasn't ever even known to drink blood but people called him a vampire.
But he was. He was known on occasion to dip his bread in the blood of those impaled and therefore ingest it.
QUOTE
If one drinks blood, does that make him or her a vampire?
No, it makes them a fetishist. The act of drinking blood is not in itself an act of vampirism. Many cultures have taken the blood of an enemy with the belief they will gain that person's strength or power. It is rather like saying "I practice necrophagy. I must be a ghoul."
In fact, look at the vampires of legend. We all must agree this legend and lore has some basis in fact. By this reasoning we must agree that blood does not neccesarily a vampire make. *smiles* Confused yet? I will explain.
If you read the reports of vampirism from legend and lore you will note many who did not come for blood and never partook of it. Peter Plogojowitz asked for food. It wasn't until he was refused food by his son that he killed.
Many times a person would return for the source of their addiction in life. Alcohol, drugs, and sex, many turned to taking blood after being refused.
Bloodangel
Feb 3 2008, 06:09 PM
QUOTE (Kelly @ Dec 10 2007, 04:39 PM)

If one drinks blood, does that make him or her a vampire?
This is an issue that has embroiled the vampire community for years. Many would say one must have an energy deficit and the beast within makes them crave the blood. The beast, by the way, is known as the Dragon. The Dragon is the darkside of human nature.
Some Satanists drink blood to edify themselves and do not claim to be vampires. Occasionally, people will try blood just to find out what it tastes like. Sure, there could be a surge of adrenalin from doing something taboo. Ah, but if they continue to drink blood are they then vampires or not?
Many modern-day Sanguinarians (blood-drinking vampires) claim that one has to be born into vampirism. They claim that one could become addicted to drinking blood but that doesn't mean one is a vampire.
Others put forth that drinking blood defines a vampire. In other words, if one drinks blood then they are a vampire, pure and simple.
What do you think?
I suppose that all we can do is think about it, lol.
I would think that one who drinks blood is a Sanguinary Vampire.
Well, I think that just because it drinks blood that doesn't mean it's a vmpire. It just has strange taste.
Hellarchy
Feb 4 2008, 02:47 PM
QUOTE (Bloodangel @ Feb 3 2008, 06:09 PM)

Well, I think that just because it drinks blood that doesn't mean it's a vmpire. It just has strange taste.
I guess one could say that.
Does being able to glide through the air make a flying fish a bird? No.
Does drinking blood have to mean a human is a vampire? I think not.
darkangel16
Mar 21 2008, 06:11 PM
I think that it does because the main definition is that they suck/drink blood.
Damious
Apr 2 2008, 05:59 AM
I didn't read all the replies, just felt the need to add my commentary, but from what I skimmed over it seems like my point has been stated for the most part.
"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken" - Tyler Durden
Eating lettuce does not make you a vegetarian.
I relate the word vampire to words such as leech. It's the dependency ( and I'm not referring specifically to blood drinkers ) that brings out the definition, that the 'vampire' is in some way dependent on this act or inhibited without it.
sherry
Apr 17 2008, 03:26 PM
The Aztecs and other native Americans for example ate the hearts and drank the blood of captives in ritual ceremonies to most likely satisfy their gods and gain for themselves fertility and immortality. But they never considered themselves vampires. The ritual of drinking blood to overcome death has been practiced by many people, they seek blood to give them power, a sexual rush. Even so the basic truth is depressing for anything to live something or someone must die. Whether this truth sets you free or not depends, I suppose on your place at, or ON the dinner table.
Kelly
Apr 18 2008, 01:17 PM
Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to answer.
I just wanted to see what people's thoughts were on this issue, perhaps how influenced we are by the OVC.
vamp1
May 9 2008, 03:52 AM
whiy do you think they drink blood. becoes blood is the esens of life, its usenchol to live, we nead it to live and so do you but the difrens is that vamps need it for energy and for life. im me at
j153901@aol.com to now haw i now this and to talk to a hafe vamp
Vicereine2
May 9 2008, 04:08 AM
vamp. Am I right in assuming that English is not your first language?
You may get IM's from people, but I doubt it straight away, people generally like to know more about a personbefore interacting in a personal level.
Post more though. I would like to hear what type of vampire you consider yourself to be. How old are you? Where are you from? what experiences have you had? all those kinds of things.
darkangel16
May 10 2008, 02:18 AM
Vice, you may have already told me, but what kind of vamp are you?
Vicereine2
May 10 2008, 02:51 AM
Im a bit of a mixed bag. Lets just say Im a hybrid. ;)
darkangel16
May 10 2008, 02:58 AM
Oh, ok. I just suck blood and I can see bits of my past lives, but I don't know if that's related to vamprism
RoseDark
Jun 14 2008, 01:08 PM
Erm ... well I think Damious has a point. Just coz someone drinks blood does not mean that they are a vampire - just means they have a somewhat unusual taste (excuse the pun)! I think unless the person themselves believes they are a vampire then they just like drinking blood - you can't simply assume someone is just coz they do something that is not normal (so to say).
But I will say one thing - if they do drink blood they better be blooming careful about it - too many diseases out there to be messing about!! :)
Kelly
Jun 15 2008, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (RoseDark @ Jun 14 2008, 02:08 PM)

Erm ... well I think Damious has a point. Just coz someone drinks blood does not mean that they are a vampire - just means they have a somewhat unusual taste (excuse the pun)! I think unless the person themselves believes they are a vampire then they just like drinking blood - you can't simply assume someone is just coz they do something that is not normal (so to say).
But I will say one thing - if they do drink blood they better be blooming careful about it - too many diseases out there to be messing about!! :)
I wish I could find the article but someone had suggested that in simplest terms someone is a vampire if they drink blood. I don't agree with that myself. My opinions have changed recently. In fact, I believe that most people who consider themselves vampires and drink blood are not vampires. Often, Satanists drink blood for the energy rush and the empowerment. Not all of those who imbibe claim to be vampires. I think people can get addicted to the rush though.
You are right about the diseases; there are a multitude of blood-borne illnesses. However, real vampires are going to need blood (in my opinion - I don't buy the psi energy concept anymore).
darkangel16
Jun 15 2008, 05:10 PM
The diseases are why I only drink my own blood, when I get serious w/ some one, like really serious and they allow me to drink theirs then I'll get them tested first. Kelly, I'd probably feel the same way about psi vamps if I didn't know my dad, cuz he is one and he does every thing a psi vamp does.
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