different people believe different things. i've heard some say that only those who are technically vampires have the ability to draw energy from others, while i've heard others say that the ability to draw energy from others is simply a psychic ability that doesn't necessarily make one a vampire(some of whom who argue this also argue that there is no such thing as vampires, just individuals who have the psychic ability to draw energy from others).

i'm curious to know what some of the knowledgeable and well-read members of this forum think on this matter.

thanks,
duality

I don't know alot , I think this is just a matter of opinon.
I do know , however , that alot of people can draw energy from others , but you have to need it to be a vampire. Anyone can take energy as far as I am aware , Some might even get ''addicted'' to it ,. but the true ones are the ones that need it on a daily basis or whatever.

Correct me if i'm wrong ?

Life is correct, the need is what makes you a vampire. But being addicted is also a need and would make you a vampire.

Basically if for whatever reason you need to feed of others you're a psy vampire. It doesn't have to be a constant need, it doesn't even have to be daily, just present at all.

how would you define need? 'cause i've been going through some negativity, to say the least, that tends to keep my energy pretty low. taking energy fixes it right quick. even though i could go for it most of the time (it makes me more positive and social), i only do it maybe once or twice a year, usually when someone is pissing me off. just a little sip lately though. when i first noticed my ability to do so, i did it to the extreme--took as much energy as possible as quickly as possible and combined that with every other psychic attack i could conjure...saw it as almost a battle...and generally ended up making whomever i was draining feel uncomfortable enough to leave the room.

i've been suffering from delusions for the past couple years, so i'm uncertain as to what is actually occurring and what's in my imagination, but i have discussed a psychic conflict i had with a friend a few years ago directly with him and he said that he knew that a psychic altercation was going to happen before it did, but was surprised when my methods were nothing like he expected. (i totally kicked his ass...lol). so yeah...i know i can do some things, i just kinda am looking for someone who is familiar enough with psychic attacks (dark magic, maybe?) to help explain to me how what i do can be catagorized/labelled in the occult community (i haven't learned much of anything from occult literature).

so basically...is anyone here very familiar with psychic feeding and psychic attack methods and willing to answer a couple questions of mine so i can try to figure out what exactly i can, or at least used to be able to, do?

I'm not all that experienced on the ground of attacking per se, I'm just your regular psychic vampire who drinks from a city of 250.000 people (at once) every day in order to function properly.

Try asking and perhaps I could answer.

I'm not a psy-vamp, though I am in regular contact with a few people who are. They feed only as they need to, by gleaning from the energies given off by people's auras. As they take from the outer layers of the aura, a feeling of fatigue can occur. This is usually when you should tell them what they're doing, and ask them to stop, before you fall asleep (it's happened to me before).

I think that anyone CAN draw on other's energy.
The difference, in my opinion, is that the vampire NEEDS to in order to function properly. Many vampires that I know will
become depressed, lethargic, and even physically ill if they do not feed.

I did a speech in my speech class about this and there is such thing as people being labled as psychic vampires, my dad's one.People call them Psychic vampires because they suck the energy out of people and of course people relate sucking energy to sucking blood, which leads to vampires. And if you want to go in deeper, some people believe that blood is life and life is energy.

I'm of the opinion that it's all metaphysics....and the term "Vampire" is just gothicizing it.

Although...I could see the use of the word vampire in the case of energy being sucked repeatedly out of the same person against their will. But that's also a form of rape. To me, anyway.

Except it's nothing like rape and has absolutely nothing to do with rape. The act is different, the results are different, the emotions are different.

You could probably get more similarities between a grasshopper and a glass of water.

It's really not rape to me, because if you feed from a doner, it's concentual. This isn't really a problem for a vampire who takes in blood as their energy source. For those who feed upon pure energy, this topic requires a bit more thought.You CAN feed from someone without permission, but it's rather like barging into their house and eating all their food. A blatant invasion more than rape.To feed at a high-energy event, such as a concert, I wouldn't consider it rape because the energy you feed upon is simply floating free in the air. If it is not fed upon, it is eventually swept away by psychic currents.My view on that... if it's just gonna sit there and be bown away, I might as well take advantage.It's really not rape to me, because if you feed from a doner, it's concentual. This isn't really a problem for a vampire who takes in blood as their energy source. For those who feed upon pure energy, this topic requires a bit more thought.You CAN feed from someone without permission, but it's rather like barging into their house and eating all their food. A blatant invasion more than rape.To feed at a high-energy event, such as a concert, I wouldn't consider it rape because the energy you feed upon is simply floating free in the air. If it is not fed upon, it is eventually swept away by psychic currents.My view on that... if it's just gonna sit there and be bown away, I might as well take advantage.

Ok. As stated by others. Vampires NEED energy replacement, for some reason we are unable to regulate out own energy.

That said, yes, i also believe that everyone has the ability to 'move energy about'. Look at Reiki teachers, spiritual healers etc etc.

The acknowledgement that we have auratic energies or requirements is an easier way of recognising that we have a spiritual element, or whatever term you feel comfortable labelling it with.

A lot of vampires I know, progress from physical illness with withdrawal, to enabling themselves to draw energy in other ways. Hence the psy feeders, the astral feeders and the myrad of other terms that equate to one thing. Replenishing our energy with other means.

It all depends on how open minded you are or willing to entertain the possibility of things. Ofcourse there are always quacks out there for everything, but a percentage of every experience you are told about will be true.

Psi Vampires, Sang Vampires, Incubi and Succubi. All have the same need, (physical/mental condition) as we like to put it.

Now the Need, lust, craving... why it happens is subject to much speculation.

Most of the above post addresses this matter so I shall only say a little about my own personal experience

To me it's not an addiction, it's a thing I am able to do and something I can use to hurt or heal. Energy is abundant and not only something that can be only be taken from a human host, which is harmful. Universal and earth energy is abundant and easy to tap into with some simple techniques. This energy can be passed on to others if you so inclined, and if the target is open to reception.

Leeching energy from a human can cause physical and mental fatigue and even sickness, after all you are messing around with a the aura, chakras and kinetic field of the human.

If anyone want to learn how to do these things, look into Chakras, tai-chi and true empaths, the information is there, use it, don't use it.

To those who feel compelled to drain humans, be aware that you are doing harm and that the universal energy seeks balance...

draw you own conclusions

i think it depends on your intentions. if you think of it broadly, a vampire is one who takes life. now whether you consider energy, thoughts, or blood a source of life is up to you. but i think if someone takes something for the benefit of themselves, they are more apt to be called a vampire because vampires have a cultural reputation of being parasitic. now if one uses their techniques of changing or routing energy for the benefit of others, i'd call them a healer, not a vampire.

To me taking from a non-consenting "donor" is exactly the same as rape.
Rape is about power and control, not sex. Sex is only the weapon.
I have met some vampires who take from unwilling for the same reason. It makes them feel powerful to be able to do that to another human being.
It is psychic rape.

Just remember the old saying. Paybacks are hell.

I agree with you Misan that there are those who take it as a weapon. However, I have also met vampires who drain you unknowingly. Especially when stressed. It would seem we expend even more of the little energy we hold on to.

With regards to using the term healer instead of vampire, this can cause confusion, as a vampire still has the defecit that they need refilled. I've known energy healers who are human and absolutely not vampiric in anyway. Ive know vampires who do heal but they are still vampires.

Words can be really annoying ;) I see what you are saying there though 'Mr tat loves to...'

For my part vampire is synonimus to me with hunger. Hunger needs sustinance and sustinance is needed to replenish energy used up.

Very true Vic. I wasn't taking those who do it unintentionally (some not even knowing their nature).

Well in my view even thow it may be easer for vampires to feed that way and or the most common ' i do beleave any one who is needing to or has the know how can feed from energy. but that is just my view.

hi wicthdragon... yes i think that anyone can draw energy if school properly but the NEED for it is what makes a vampire. IMO

I'm going to, again, give my answer separate from the rest of the thread. I skimmed through it and for the most part whats being said is true, but there is still more to it.

Anyone can draw energy from any source as long as it has energy to draw from, it's a very basic psychic / psionic / chionic technique. Psi's have this ability instinctively, which is a real mess for Psi's who aren't aware of themselves yet. The difference comes in the way a Psi is inhibited without it and the types of energy they feed off of. Thats the difference in the draining at least, but the draining is far from all that makes a Psi what they are.

Damious

Nice to see another 'old timer' back and posting.

There are always inherant other characteristics with vampires. I dont mean they turn into bats either.

Vampires tend to exhibit a range of other 'symptoms' and these are highly subjective and often attributed to other named mental illnesses. Again I say, just because you give it a nice new fancy latin name does not remove its original conception.

As stated prior drawing energy by itself does not the vampire make.

I would, for the purposes of debate, like to direct people to our HUMAN heritage as well. Look back into the shamanic rites and the other tribal ways of our ancestors and see how closely we used to affiliate with the world and its mysteries and creatures around us. Then look at how we live in such high built cities these days, who is to say that such isolation of a tribal creature would not cause some change in their psychi or the way they exhibit tribal nature..... indeed, evolution its self propagates the theory that we are ever adapting to our environment........ just something to think on.

:)

You consider it an illness?



Humans haven't isolated themselves at all. They'd be more isolated if they still lived among "the world and its mysteries and creatures around them" because then they'd have specific areas of the world capable of sustaining their health and probably have more variety in the species, such as the colored. Humans have spread far beyond their natural environment and expanded rather than isolate themselves. They build their habitat to adapt to them wherever they see fit. We've made weapons that allow us to over come any predator we may have had. We have climate control to adapt our environment to temperatures that won't kill us. etc etc etc. Humans have if anything ended their evolution by evolving their environment, if they will evolve any further, it may be simple structural changes that may make it so we can type better or muscle growth that would make it easier to control the gas pedal of a car.

Some times psy vampires don't know they're taking energy from some one. And as far as the rape thing is concerned, I don't think it's like rape because, first of all you don't NEED to rape some one , but psy vamps NEED the energy. And secondly rape leaves a mental scar and physical pain. All that happens to psy vamps "victims" is that they need to relax and sleep to regain energy. But they aren't mentally or physically harmed.

to answer the questions posed to me. No i dont consider it an illness. As I said, SOME attribute the symptoms to mental illnesses, I do not. I think that its a state of being and something that those with it genuinely have no control over in the sense of it exsisting or not.

With regards to the human condition I can see your point. However, with the progression of civilisation it is my view that we have become desensitised to our heritage and our tribal nature largely. We are able to kill from distance with little blood on our hands, we are governed by a group often far away from where we live. THe higher the tower blocks we build the less we are in touch with our heritage. We have less respect for the world around us, because to a larger extent it becomes more disposable. THe relevance I was taking from this to a possible evolutionary theory regarding vampirism and kin is that by disassociating ourselves from a more 'hands on' approach perhaps our hardwired tribal instincts are finding new ways to come forward.

I realise there are many who make the effort to stay tuned in to the world around them. There are those who work outdoors still, those who work with animals or in poverty generally where survival instinct is at the fore. But my point is for the larger group of society.

Damious, your point, and im not starting anythign here, only further proves what I was saying. However, I would like to clarify, if we have ended our evolutionary state then things look bleak in the future. The purpose of evolution is progression and adaptation yes. If we cease to evolve then we will either kill our environment and wipe ourselves out or stagnate and do the same.

We are animals and although progression is necessary and relevent, to move further and further away from our tribal roots, there just has to be some fall out somewhere. Its hardwired instincts Im talking about.

Nice to have some banter going!!

Of coarse humans animals, which is why I hate society, one of their major goals is to seperate themselves from animals. This is why humans do everything from far away. Killing for example is animal, so humans have it done from a distance so they don't have to feel it, yet the train the ones they have do it for them to be like animals again before hand.

As far as the psi vamparism goes, it's not human. It is in no way part of human evolution. Interesting thought, but the result of man's suppression of their animal nature is in the form of crime, rape, murder, mental illness.

what are your views on where psi vampirism stems from then Damious? If not part of our make up is it from some external force that manipulates us into being psi vampiric ?

I ask this in all seriousness. I like knowing what other peoples take on the origins of vampirism is.

It's soul deep, best way to put it without getting into almost an essay about it.

As far as the specific origins of vampirism, like "who was the first" or "how it started" I don't imagine I'll ever know, but I have my theories.

Interesting.

I would love to discuss those theories. Im not being attacking (certainly dont hope i come across that way) I just like to debate different takes on things.

You say soul deep. Because of your prior comments about it not being part of the human evolutionary process. I assume you mean it in the context of our spiritual self and therefore not part of our biological make up.

Do you feel we as spiritual beings are only here once or would reincarnation factor into this? As in its a part of our reoccuring soul.

It's fine, I can tell when someone is on the offensive and when they're not, and trust me you'd know if I thought so. I don't mind debating my theories but I'm not extremely forthcoming with them publicly on an average because I know these social circles, everyone thinks they have it all rationalized from their various conversations and debates on internet forums ( which is mostly hear say ) and tend get close minded when someone comes along who doesn't believe what they believe. If you want to much depth on my versions, it's probably best for PM's.



Humans will last as long as their soul lasts, up until it burns out. They may have 1 or two past lives but eventually it will burn out. Psi's will usually have many past lives, depending on how old they are. This is their "immortality".

Damious "( which is mostly hear say )"

No offense, but that's what all of this sounds like to me...

You have a source of incontrovertible evidence?

And why is that? or do you know?

I think everything you are in this life goes with you into your next one. Kinda like what Damious said your soul is your life as long as it still exists so do you. And that's why we have more than one life.

You have more than one life because you have one soul and thus one life?

I'm confused what do you mean?

If you're confused and you're the one who said I don't think that bodes well for the rest of us.

I have no idea what you are talking about. And it sounds like you're being rude. I f you're not,sorry I thought you were, but if you are there's no reason for it. I was just confused with the way you said it. If you say it differently maybe I'll understand what you're saying.

"your soul is your life as long as it still exists so do you. And that's why we have more than one life."

-darkangel16

He's saying that this line that you said, makes no sense... Clarify

Never said that it was one life... I think it was just meant that it all carries over... Like one LONG life, just in segments. Like the Hindu Caste system perhaps? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's kind of what it's making me think of. Reborn into another level and whatnot...

Thank you Suicide that's exactly what I meant I just couldn't put into words that made sense.

Thats the general idea :]



You never did answer my question as to why that was.

You never did answer where your evidence was

the problem with evidence of anything non tangible is its inherantly difficult to MAKE tangible. Its hard enough in person. Online its virtually impossible.

I find it easier to stem something from spiralling into a he said she said, but seeing it as a discussion of theories. Rather than a practice examination.

What is your take on it Omega Trust? The Psychic vampirism I mean.

I personally think it's a term bandied around for the mystique (at least former) of the vampire aspect...

I don't believe there's any person that needs to sustain themselves by leeching the life force of others...

The closest thing there is to "psi vampires" are civil lawyers and misanthropists...

Entirely your choice. Wouldnt ever try to persuade people to alter their beliefs on my account. Truth is I cant prove it. Same as people cannot prove their religions conclusively. Its a complicated discussion and proof, as stated, impossible even in a face to face sitting. So online, its even more so ( i realise thats a poor use of language by the way).

I guess, people relate to themselves in different ways and use different terms. I know what I am, whatever name others choose to label it with. I know what works to eliviate the 'symptoms' and I know that I am not alone. Perhaps, it solace with like minded individuals that I seek, and I adopt the term that fits best.

But then we all do that to a degree. Adopt terms that fit best. Even if its misfit.

Personally, i take solace in that all things are NOT explainable. What a dull dull life it would be if we ever truelly beleived there was nothing else to learn.

It's a nice way to think, Vice... But in the particular case of "psychic vampirism", it is nothing more than a term made popular by Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible...

So what? You believe you are a psychic vampire?

Do you -need- other peoples life force to sustain you (this -can- be proven conclusively) I'd love to see any one person who claims to be a psychic vampire be completely hooked up to a machine that monitors someones condition and be "starved" (only of other peoples life force) and see what happens...

you are assuming that it would be able to be picked up on by machine.

I can see where you are coming from. However, im not sure what you want me to do here. Volunteer for examination by a physician?

I relate to the term psi vampire yes, I relate to other terms as well, however, more aptly put i manipulate energy. Its tied in to meditation drawing on natural energy primarily....

There are many factors. But Im not going to open myself up for ridicule.

I'm not going to ridicule... However it is a term that has been beaten into the ground by alleged (many claimants I've met personally) psi vamps...

I honestly do think the effects would be picked up by a machine... Considering the claims made here, and how they allegedly affect the psi vamp and/or victim, there is most certainly a way to monitor the effects...

Again, I think it is only a term bandied around for the mystique of it...

well as I said OT. Completely your choice. And maybe the symptoms are all psycosematic (sp) All I know is I get a debilitating headache when storms are brewing, and elation when they have broken. In times of stress by body reacts immediately with psysiological (sp again) responses. I have no diagnosed mental disorder, yet I know inherantly when people are lying.

There are other things going on as well. My doctor has diagnosed stress induced IBS, depression and a sleeping disorder... maybe its easier to introduce myself that way ;).

Im glad you are not here to ridicule me, and I most certainly am not here to challange your views on who or what I am.

The thing is, some of your symptons can be explained... Storms causing you headaches, not entirely uncommon, I'm not going to research right now, but I'm sure that is connected to the rapid changes in air pressure... Much like being on an airplane, upon reaching a certain altitude it's good to make your ears "pop" so as to avoid the head/earaches... Physiological pain due to stress is also not uncommon, many people experience it, particularly those with neurological syndromes (fibro myalgia[sp])...

You made no mention of how you need to sustain yourself with the life energy of other people, how do you consider yourself a psi vampire?

My concern with this whole thread is, that there's young and impressionable kids reading it (no doubt the much greater portion of posts here are by kids) I don't think it's helping anything by validating fantasies with discussion here... Especially should those fantasies actually turn out to be real physical/neurological disorders and are (possibly) never addressed because they think it's part of being a psi vamp... Not a good thing...

Let me make it perfectly clear that im not advocating people go off slicing up their partners and drinkign from them, its as if not more deadly than unprotected sex.

However, given the gratuitous content of alot of threads on this board. How is the discussion of vampirism more harmful than highly sexed threads?