For those who are following the Asetians there is new information posted on their website

Thanks for the heads up. I find it deeply interesting, and yet, I'm not surprised that they are coming out in the open this year.

Could it be related to the reasons why the Spirits allowed me to come out in the open with the secret knowledge of our Clans? As I mentioned in my thread, our beliefs have never been shared outside our Clans before.
For whatever reasons, the time is right and appropriate. The Children of the Gods, in whatever form and facet we may appear in our modern times, are coming out in the open, and it's going to blow humanity away.

"What once was, shall be again, and greater still." So we all have worked, in our own ways, to pave the path for will of the Spirits.

I tell you what, I'm glad to be alive in our day and age.

Thank you, Eta. I took a quick look and maybe this will help me understand some of my past experiences.

Secret secret blah blah blah, so why announce it here but not discuss it here? If this type of thing persists I will block all mention of it on this forum. It's rude to come here, say something like "I've got a secret, but I can't tell you. You know where."

Actually, Sire, I didn't mean it that way, nor did I mean it as an insult. I edited that statement - I now realize how that appeared.

It's just that on most vampire forums, if one mentions anything other than the fundamentalist beliefs held in most of the OVC, people go into attack mode. You can't even ask what people "think" about turning without people acting rabid. I guess I've had enough attacks,just from asking questions, to last a lifetime.

This thread serves no purpose to the Darkness community, other than to suggest those "in the know" go to another website. The "Aset Ka" members should be respectful of our community when in our house.

I like to think that I don't run a typical OVC here. I've tried really hard through the years to make allowances in this section to various online vampire groups. In some ways that was the right thing to do, but in other ways it turned out wrong. I'm doing it differently now.

Like most larger forums, we will have our share of extreme opinions in two flavors. The smaller forums don't have to deal with this as much as people can tend to be more polite and reserved in a smaller group.

1. The "real vampires" who claim their way is the only way and rarely allow for anyone else's interpretation. I do not support that type of behavior, but do allow them to express it here. If any of them are insulting or "attack" then a quick click of the Report button on the respective post will alert it to my attention.

2. The "skeptics" who want to deny everything and anything they can about your beliefs. They are allowed only as far as to ask questions or participate in the discussions while being respectful of other's beliefs. Some WILL take it too far, and a click of the Report button will take care of it.

Primarily the forums in this section are here to serve as a reference and sharing of information or thoughts. Proof of anything is not required, and you don't have to support your opinions with facts. Others are allowed to express their disbelief in a subtle manner. They should do so politely and take the time to explain their thoughts.

The important thing to remember is that I'm not a regular reader of this section myself. I need you to help me ensure that this is an interesting section with quality topics. I need you to help me ensure that members feel welcome. Please use the Report button when needed. Please take the time to share something you've learned with us, or your thoughts or conclusions.

Primarily, this is not an online vampire community. This is a vampire information and discussion section. It's main focus is to provide interesting information to those who enjoy vampire movies, vampire books, vampire fashion and lore. Those who take it further and embrace a vampire lifestyle are welcome but should also be respectful of the Darkness community at large.

Thank you for reiterating your stance, Sire.

To be clear, Sire has never allowed disrespect in this section. If he finds out that anyone, any poster, is being disrespectful, they will be warned or either gone.

I definitely appreciate the opportunity to hear about different practices and belief systems. That's not an opportunity one has on just any board.

Etu, I hope you plan on discussing Aset Ka here, at this board. We'd like to hear more.

Hi Etu,

Can you explain this to us? By Astral Light/Ether, are you speaking of the universal consciousness? Mind control and manipulation of other dimensions. Are you speaking of control of one's own mind and ability to explore other realms of existence, like the Sephiroth?

I found the site. It's www.asetka.org

The Kemetic Order of Aset Ka's website is not a forum therefore I am not attempting to lure anyone there other than to read a simple page of information.
For the 'real' vampires here, the Asetian history explains much of where, when and how the first born vampires originated. It is in relation to tracing one's ancestry / bloodline / family tree if you will.
If this information is not welcomed here, then accept my apologies and I will bid you all farewell.

Thank you for the tip, Etu. I will check out the page.

Ahem...'real' vampires you say? Careful, for this is what Sire wants to avoid, claiming that one's way is the only way. He wants to keep an open forum where we can discuss all types of vampire beliefs. If you have visited the online vampire community, you know that most of them shun vampire religions and maybe what you have to offer. They have very fundamentalist beliefs and aren't open to much discussion outside of what they believe. If I understand correctly, Sire would allow us to politely discuss vampiric beliefs from all vampire religions, nonreligious vampires and so on. That's an opportunity I don't want to lose.

I am sure you are welcome to discuss your beliefs and your practices as far as you are allowed to share. Please do.

It's exciting that Aset Ka will be publishing a book. Here is some information from Wiki. I only copied a little to give you an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aset_Ka
Aset Ka
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Kemetic Order of Aset Ka, Ankh sigillum.
Aset Ka is an occult Order, Europe based, that goes under the name "Kemetic Order of Aset Ka". It is one of the most influential Kemetic Orders, as well as vampiric movements, inside the occult underground in Europe, especially in the Iberian Peninsula.[1]
With its headquarters based in the city of Oporto, Portugal, Aset Ka is known for its traditional approach to magick and vampirism, studying a very different variety of occult arts, philosophies, and practices.
It's traditions are based on Left Hand Path, Black Magic and Dark Occultism, mixing Luciferian and Setian philosophies with Egyptian Magick, practicing mystical Vampirism and studying chaos magick and chaotic energies, as well as different forms of High Magick, energy work and rituals, considered highly elite in the wide occult studies spectrum.
Being a Kemetic Order, they trace their roots back to Ancient Egypt, culture where they take many of their philosophical and spiritual works, as well as base magical system, religion and symbols.
The name Aset Ka is transliterated from Ancient Egyptian, and is composed of two different words:
Aset being the Egyptian name for the Goddess Isis, which is a Greek name for the Egyptian Goddess of magick and power, and also meaning literally "Throne" in Ancient Egyptian, being the reason why Isis is many times painted with a throne symbol on her head. She is sometimes considered to be the Goddess of Many Names, the face behind many divinities, and the Goddess of All Gods;
Ka meaning vital energy and being part of the Egyptian concept of soul.

Reminds me of an Asatru approach, and now that I think about it even the name is a little similiar. Similiar enough anyway that I wonder if there might be some linguistic relation.

Probably not, Sire. Asatru is the revived worship of the gods of the Vikings (this extended from Kiev to Greenland). Aset Ka is a revival or continuation (depending on who you ask, but I'm not too sure which it is) of an occult and apparantly vampiric society devoted to Aset (translates to Isis in Greek and/or English), Egyptian goddess of magic, power, and reincarnation. Maybe some of the practices are similar, but I'm sure that owes to adherence to certain metaphysical properties or coincidence.

I respect everyone's beliefs and religions.
I only posted some info for those interested.
I am not an Asetian, although I do speak to, not for, the Aset Ka
I may be able to shed some light / darkness on them if anyone wishes

As to the comment by Sire on the Aset Ka members should be respectful of this community, I just want to state that there are no Asetians, nor AK members in this forum, or in any other forum discussing about their own system and bloodline. This is something known by anyone into the subject, and more than over discussed over the last years of internet boom. Hope it cleared any misunderstanding. If anyone shows up discussing this thematics, it's because they are interested on it, or do research about this metaphysical order, not that they represent it or are part of it.

Now this is not for Sire, but to anyone curious about the subject and willing to learn more: there aren't many Asetianism schoolars out there, or at least willing to openly discuss this knowledge in places like public online forums, so don't take all that you read for granted, that's a common mistake to anyone starting to research on the Asetians.

And finally as to the new information on their website, I found it breathtaking. Not the text itself, that was something I was already expecting (although beautifully written), but the release of the Dark Mark. The image is beautiful, breathtaking and intense. Although I can only guess that it is a digital mark and not a true Asetian Mark, it is an honor to be able to see in first hand the sacred sigil of the Asetians that has been kept secret for so long. I assume that not only myself, but anyone truly interested in Egyptian dark traditions and vampirism, but especially Asetianism, are more than perplex and excited at this point. I'm very glad to be here... and to be able to presentiate all of this.

Winged Angel

WingedAngel,
You are correct, I have been told that it is only a digital reproduction not the real thing, nonetheless very cool.

I hadn't replied to Sire's statement because I wanted to compare the two religions. Thanks for the info, Alaras.

Are the Temple of Set and Temple of the Vampire (ToV) related to the Asetians? If I recall, the ToV worship Tiamet, the Babylonian dragon goddess. I wouldn't know if either one of those religions base their beliefs and practices on truly ancient ones.

Guess I should put my own 2cents in at this time.

I do try to be respectful of others beliefs (until they say its the only way and start to shove it down your throat).
Then I have a habit of tearing down the belief to its bas components.

Such as point out that the name Aset-Ka doesn't appear till the 4th dynasty of Egypt (which honestly could mean its an amalgamation of another unknown goddess with Isis) however Isis bears basically no resemblance or relation to the vampiric image presented by Aset-Ka which I stated in the other thread in Arcane studies (under the name Aset-Ka) all about that so no reason to repeat it here and take up space.

However I will ask one question which as been bugging me since you(etu) and others refer to the followers as Asetian.
Is there any relation (that you know of to the "Asethian" order here?) also called "Sethian" or Set-ka. The name simularity raised my eyebrow so to speak.

Kelly, the Temple of Set and Temple of the Vampire are both very recent organizations, and have nothing to do (at least directly) with the Aset Ka. It is possible though that some of their tenets or inner mysteries might have been adapted from the Asetian theology, I really don't know. That have been done in the past and it is even easily found in our days in many so-called vampiric sects and clans. However, in my personal opinion, parallells between those organizations shall not be drawn. Also be careful with that Wikipedia article, it have also been overstated that some of that information is incorrect, who wrote the article didn't have a profound knowledge of the Asetian mysteries. I hope the article gets richer in the future...

Rhuen, I am guessing no relation, but can't be certain since I have never heard of any Set-ka. However, Asetian is not the name of followers of the Asetianism, but the name of the bloodline of Aset. Other beings, humans or otherkin, might follow Asetianism, without being Asetians.

Winged Angel

Rheun, that is a good question and I am not sure of the answer but I will certainly inquire about it. I do know that Set(h), Horus (Anubis), Nepthys, Isis (Aset) and Osiris are the Children of the Gods Nuit and Geb. Set and Horus have their war and with Horus being the victor establishes Set as Evil thus Setianism eventually becomes Satanism and Set is marked forever and associated with the Evil of the World.

Etu_Malku, Horus is NOT Anubis. They are very different. Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis, the symbol of divine heritage on Earth. Anubis is a keeper and protector of the dead, son of Nephthys and Osiris, but I think he is also intimate related with the Asetian history.

Winged Angel

I stand corrected, you are right WA.
By the way WA have you been on the channel lately?

Just a few times. It is a very interesting place, but highly controlled. But certainly a hidden pearl to anyone honestly into Asetianism/Vampirism and serious about their own metaphysical development.

Winged Angel

On Anubis: Anubis' lineage is a very complicated matter, Egyptian belief system actually allowed for different versions of the same stories to exist at the same time (the famous example being that they had five creation stories that all contridicted each other yet were all believed).

Anubis' parents have been listed as (Isis-Set), (Nepthys-Osiris), (Isis-Osiris), (and others includings Hathor, Ra, and many other origins) even one where he wandered out of the deserts and has no relationship to the other gods.

However Anubis has two primary forms, Pyramid Text and Coffin Text.

In the older tradition before Osiris was worshiped as a god Anubis was around under the name Yinepu"sp" where he was the one that conqured the underworld and made it a place for human souls to reside. Later when Osiris worship became part of the mainstream Egyptian religion Anubis was bumped down below the more popular Osiris and the mythology of him being a younger god and even a child to Osiris or others began to appear.

gods are fun things to look up when it comes to how people view them as being related to each other.

Sire,
Who exactly were you directing this diatribe at? I have re-read my posts on your forum and found that almost every one of them has you directly attacking me. What problem do you have with me? I have posted nothing to warrant these attacks. Explain yourself.

First, if you look through this thread it appears that you responded to my post at least twice already. Why yet a third response to that post? I don't know that I can clarify it much further than I already have. Perhaps someone else can explain it to you.

seeing as I am techniquelly a moderator I guess I can try to clarify the problem with the whole secret group yet can't say anything about it bit.

This forum has had alot, and by alot I mean ALOT of people claiming to be part of some secret group, clan, coven, hive, race, society, ect... and what ever else they can come up with. All these people say the same thing, and many of your posts sound the same way.

They go something like this "my opinion is the truth and should be taken as the truth, why? how dare you question me! I am part of this secret group that KNOWS EVERYTHING about this topic and that is that. We have been around forever and can trace ourselves back to "insert supernatural or historically famous individual or group" but I can't tell you anymore because i'll get in trouble if I do, but there is no rule that says I can't tell you guys these GREAT SECRETS, but not give too much away becuase i am part of this so secretive group."

and so on in that fashion. Basically its tune we have grown tired of hearing. you get everyone claiming to descended from dracula, cane, lilith, to zeus himself basically in here. One of the reasons I don't show up in this vampire section that often has been do to the claimers coming here so much from claiming to be part of one these secret groups to being a monster (hell I have had people claiming to be man eating zombies and western style dragons) and they too claimed to be part of these know it all groups.

Its a tired song and people who have been here long enough get sick of it, and Sire being the founder has undoubtably had more of this type of thing than anyone else so its only naturally he would ask you people not to use this when telling information and only give data that can be varified and not boast about a secret group.

and in all honesty a member of a secret group boasting about it is an oxymoron. secret groups don't advertise and members don't boast. If someone was a member of such a group they most certainly (by our thinking) wouldn't come here and tell everyone that on a public forum, or even say what they have to say is secret.

I don't mean to intrude, but i defend Malku and the Aset-Ka's case.

I praise their secrecy. For if their mysteries got out to everyone, the ignorant would only stigmatize them as evil (if they don't already).

From what info i have gathered about the AK, my own vampyric beliefs do not contradict those of the Asetians at all.

Oh, and Malku, i have heard that there are heavy luciferian influences in Asetianism (or vice versa). Is that true? If so that's wicked sweet.

Walk always in the shadows.

Okay I will officially drop it, I do enjoy this forum and you are right it is an old song. I didn't think I was coming off like that, but whatever. Let's move forward as there is much conversation to enjoy here at Darkness.

For those interested you can read a part of the Asetian Bible before it is for sale here http://www.asetka.org/