In ages past, the Picts ruled all of Europe. But the descendants of those proud conquerors have sunk into barbarism. They were the last of the stone age peoples. They were the true builders of stonehege which predates the druids. The tall Celtic druid priests feard and hated us picts. How can such hate come from a preist? They looked at us as warlocks. Pictish warlocks. They did not even dare tell or want to know how they build stonehege. When atlantis sank the picts were the last to survive the great flood. after the flood they migrated to the british isles. they ruled all of Europe at one time. Then the Aryans, and Celts came from the North pole and drove us south. We were all scattered about. The picts were a small people. Only five feet in heigth like stunted giants or dwarves. dark skined with black beatty eyes and round heads. They were naked worriers emblazed with tattoos from neck to anckle. during recorded history the romans were invading us from the south. The Celts and vikings were invading us from the north. We Caledonian picts hated the norsmen more then we hated the romans. but they feared us. We climed hadrian's wall. we drove the romans south. Barn Mak Morn was the last of the pictish kings. He was average heigth. tall to the small picts. He reunited all the pictish tribes, and summoned a supernatural army and deafted the romans with the help of the celts, gaels, norsmen, irish hibernian men, british, and the scottish. The picts were even more ferocious then the Germans. the picts still exist today. Traces of their type may be found in primitive sections of Europe and asia today, among the Basques of spain, the scotch of Galloway, and the Lapps.

Bran Mak Morn is a ficticious character created by Robert E. Howard. Bran Mak Morn is not only NOT the last Pict King, he was never a Pict King at all. He also did not exist ever in reality. HE IS A CHARACTER IN A FICTION NOVEL.

Much of your other information seems to be gleaned from fiction novels also.

If anyone cares beyond this drivel, let me know and I will post some real information on the Picts. The fact is that there is little known for sure about the Picts because they left behind little to no evidence of their culture, language, history or pretty much anything,

Most of what is known or believed about the Picts is postulated using history of surrounding peoples or widely believed legend.

*Shakes head disgustedly*

Lauren

How can you prove it. It's just like saying william wallace never existed. There is truth to Robert E. Howards novels. I believe. It is possible that Atlantis did exist. Robert E. Howard knew more then what he wrote. The Romans never conquered northern Europe. So tell me what you know. I hate when people condem fiction, myth and legends. What is a myth? robert E. howard combines the fantastical with the historical. Who knows what happen back then.

Tell me. Have you ever read any of Robert E. Howard's stuff?

Let me take a wild stab in the dark...

Robert E Howards states and admits, himself, that Bran Mak Morn is a fictional character. Hmmm, the writer you are purporting as a great historian calls himself and his characters fiction.

I have noticed a sad and a little frightening theme in your beliefs and your postings. You seem fully entrenched in fiction and avoid or outright refuse substantiated history of events.

What is it about reality that scares the hell out of you? Are you afraid that fact is not as exciting as fiction? What exactly is it?

You're so interested in the Picts or so you say. Does it not interest you that the Picts could have been one of the first, if not the first to use body modification? That Julius caesar said that they painted themselves blue and that made them terrifying to face in battle?

There are still architectural evidences from the Picts. Do not their structures interest you?

Whatever is your fear of truth and reality, it's terrifying that you spout off this fiction and state it as a "history lesson" when there are so many people who do not have a clue about the Picts. So they carry what they have read here off and tell it again, thinking they are telling the true account of the Picts.

This is how history gets tainted and lost completely. There already isn't much history left of the Picts on record. We truly do not need people like you distorting it more and leading people away from the true roots of such a stong, creative and resourceful people.

Now, Clean the smudge of the comicbooks and novels from your glasses, and go read a real history book.

Oh and write 1000 times....
I will not lie about the Picts.

Lauren

Do you really want to go there little boy?

Well, I did offer to anyone who wanted to know more than the drivel you posted so go make yourself some chocolate milk and get comfy. You could be here a while.

I am off for a bit to write my post.

Lauren

Enough to know that he is a good writer. A good story teller. Someone who is good at keeping your interest...
and enough to know that science and archeology and substantiated fact, are my friends.

Lauren

Oh I know all of that history stuff. But just becaus he says his charcters are fiction does not mean he really means they are fiction. Was Hercules fiction? Was christ fiction? And I'm not a little boy. why do you half to be so rude? I'm not posting drivel. I like war, blood shed, and battles. That interests me the most in military history. and I'm proud to wear glasses. was Tolkiens middle-earth fiction or fact. He hated the word myth. English mythology? You are right I hate reality. Reality stinks. It stinks of ordinary people the most and not heros. what you call reality is fiction to me(maya). Fantasy is the real world.

[and enough to know that science and archeology and substantiated fact, are my friends.

I hate cold blooded rationalists. I believe fiction writers are actually subconciously writing about their past lives in their stories.

I would believe Robert E. Howard's fictional picts more then I would a historian's interpretations or theories. Merlin was a pict. Was king Arthur real or fictional? what about Robin hood.

Getting a little trigger happy? You are just proving my point. You are so nervous about having the facts presented and threatening your fantasy world, that you're posting like a mad man.

Chill, this wont hurt a bit...

Lauren

The picts were a group of pre-celtic people

The first recorded mention of Picts, or more accurately the Latin word Picti was used in the panegyric given by Eumenius. This was dated 297 AD.

The word "Picti" means "Painted folk" or "tatoo'd" Many theories state that the Picts used "woad" for this body scarification. Woad is a plant that is indiginous of that time and location which had a caustic effect and would penetrate the skin and both scar and color the skin. Woad (or glastum) is the common name of the flowering plant Isatis tinctoria in the family Brassicaceae. It is occasionally known as Asp of Jerusalem. Woad is also the name of a blue dye produced from the plant.

Woad is native to the steppe and desert zones of the Caucasus, Central Asia to eastern Siberia and Western Asia (Hegi), but is now found in southeastern and some parts of Central Europe as well. It has has been cultivated throughout Europe, especially in Western and southern Europe since ancient times.

It is believed,however, that the Celtic Picts used copper to produce the bluing and soot ash to create the black.

The Picts came from Caledonia which is now part of Scotland.

Two different sects of Celts called the Picts by different names. The Goidelic Celts called them Cruithne while the Brythonic Celts called the Picts Prydyn. Later to be shortened to Pryd.

It was believed that Picts ruled over all of Scotland at one time, not all of europe. There were two "over-Kingdoms" One was north of Mounth and the other in Forteviot.

There were no records left by the Picts but the Irish record that there were 7 ancient Pictish kingdoms which existed...

Cait, Ce,Circinn, Fib, Fidach, Fotla, Fortiu and one more that is believed to exist through archeologic and written evidence in Orkney.

Historians doubt the theory that Dalriadan invaders overtook Pictland. There is no evidence of any Dalraidan rule in the 8th or 9th century.

The most available evidence states that the Picts spoke Brythonic Language. The Brythonic languages form one of the two branches of the Insular Celtic language family. The name Brythonic is derived from the Welsh word Brython, meaning an indigenous Briton as opposed to an Anglo-Saxon or Gael.

That's enough for now... It is 5 am here and I need to get to sleep. When I awake, I will post about the houses and kings.

Lauren

ok now your talking reasonable. :icon12:

You know? I am not being a smartass here. But that would actually be a good post for you to start.

Modern day heros. There are some. Why not see what people have to say and remember that just because someone doesn't slay a million people does not mean they cannot be a hero. Find out who other people's heros are and why.

You might not agree, but it might make you think a little.

AND this could be fun for you. Let them pick their heros from fictional or factual characters.

Just a thought.

Lauren

I always talk reasonable. But if somebody strikes my funnybone, I wise off. Loosen up a bit and laugh. As far as your reply up there, yes I saw it. I just chose not to be affected by it. It wasn't that frightening. :Þ

Now Smile, Dammit!

The world doesn't have to be so "stinky".

Lauren

I was not trying to be a smart ass either. I meant to start a post like this. I believe that there is truth in every fiction. Fiction holds some truth.

:punk:

So what are some real heros today living?

Tsk Tsk Tsk...

Now that would take this way off topic and would take away from the Pict discussion and THAT is a good discussion too.

Go start a thread in Community Discussion. Or would you like me to do it?

Lauren

Yes i'll start a new thread on it. Not to go off subject here, but do you know what a Dalcassian is?

Okay, now I will admit that most if not all fiction is based on a little bit of truth. I do not believe it would be possible to keep a person's interest if the story could not be, at least, believable. So there would have to be an element of truth. But I cannot and will not base my belief system on fiction. There is too much unaccounted for in creativity.

I admit to enjoying a good piece of fiction. I like to escape sometimes. I like to think about the posibilities. But at some point I have to come back to reality and face facts.

You know, I believe if you gave reality a chance you'd find it interesting. That old addage that fact is stranger than fiction is true a lot of the time.

Lauren

It appears to be a Celtic Clan or Sect. I know almost nothing about Dalcassians.

But I did try to find you some information on them. I do not know if you asked about them because you wanted information or because you already know about them but here is a good site that looks like it has good information on them.

This is the MacMahon Clan but they also have a link to the O'brien Clan and a link to Dalcassian news.

http://www.orgsites.com/ca/clanmacmahon/index.html

thanx for that information.

De Nada!

I caught your post on heros. My brain is frazzled right now and I am going to get some sleep but I will answer you tomorrow as well as post on the Houses and Kings of Pictland.

Lauren

ok. Good night then. :punk:

Wow... Pict... you are trippy.

I don't know what the Picts are doing in Arcane Studies, they're not a mythological people. I would quote the things you said in your original post, but every other line is either an untruth or a distortion of the truth. If that's how you want to imagine the Picts, no one has the right to spoil it for you, however if you trying to persuade us that this is proper history then that is a different matter. Before you believe the work of a skilled conveyer of fiction who lives in the modern age do not discount the works of those who lived in a time when the Picts were around or encountered them. That is ingnorant to say the least.

The Picts were the northern British tribes, in the land of Caledonia which roughly covers the area of modern Scotland. The name Pict stems from an old Latin nickname the Romans had for the barbarians north of Hadrian's Wall meaning 'Painted Ones', but Julius Ceaser did not coin this name for the Caledonian tribes because he only ever encountered and fought the tribes along the Thames Estuary in southern Britain. I do know, however, that Ceaser tells us that the Britons he fought would painting themselves blue... hense painted ones. And the Picts were Britons, because Caledonia is a part of Britain, it was simply not part of the Roman province of Britain though at various times the Romans did rule there.

The Romans invaded Caledonia several times, Agricola who was one of the earth Roman governors of Britain, invaded Caledonia and defeated the Picts - who were actually described as a confederation of Caledonian tribes - at the Battle of Mons Graphius. The exact location of this battle is unknown, and Tacitus's account of it is spurious to say the least. During the reign of Emperor Antoninus Pius the Romans advanced into Caledonia once again and the Wall of Antonius Pius, or the Antonine Wall, was built around AD 142. In the late period of Roman rule in Britain the province was under attack from the Irish (called Scotti) in the west, the Saxons in the east and the Picts in the north. The province was divided in two, with the Dux Britanniarum charged with the defense of the north, being commander of the forces manning Hadrian's Wall with his HQ at Eboracum or York.
When the Romans withdrew the Romanised Britons could not deal with the advances of the Caledonian tribes or the Irish seaborne raiders, and hense mercenaries were invited to Britain from the tribes of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes from Denmark and northern Germany. It is recorded that the mercenaries fared well against the Picts, but ended up making an alliance with them when the Romanised Britons could not pay them.

I have more to post, but that will do for the time being. It's an overview of the north Caledonian tribes during the Roman era and around the Roman withdrawal.

Well stonehedge does pred-date the druids.

Where in the hell do you get this stuff?? North pole???? Aryans and Celts did not come from the North Pole! Try Norway, Ireland, and Britain. The Picts did not build Stonehenge, the ancient Britons did. The Picts did not rule all of Europe. The Picts painted themselves with paint that may have contained hallucinagenic(sp?) properties, you did get the naked part right. You say the Picts were stunted at 5', actually 5' was a pretty average height. Um,might I ask just what is a "stunted giant?"

As for hate coming from a priest, you are thinking of the Christain way of thinking, that priests should show love and compassion. Not all religions thought priests should be all lovey and compassionate, many gods of ancient religions were not the loving God of modern day Christianity. Life was very hard and seemed cruel, so many of the gods and goddesses were not very nice either.

We do not have have conclusive proof that Atlantis did exist, so we do not have conclusive proof that it sank. What exactly do you mean the Picts were the last to survive the great flood that followed the sinking of Atlantis? Are you saying the Picts were the only Europeans that survived it? We know that would be a false belief.

You say the Picts were hated, well, all throughout history and up to the present, different races can and do hate each other.

As for the "last Pictish king" Barn Mak Morn (whom I am told did not really exist), he summoned a supernatural army? Just what supernatural beings were in this army? Besides, if he had all of those nations behind him, I dont think he would have needed a supernatural army.

You say you like war and bloodshed? Tell ya what, join a branch of the armed services and go to war, then tell me if you still like it.

Reality is harsh, Sir. There is naught wrong with fiction, naught wrong with being absorbed in fiction.

However, the attitude you display shall not get you far in this world. I know why you have withdrawn into fantasy... you have faced misuse in the real world. You have stated as such, that you were abused by homosexuals and are thusly hate gays. I am assuming that such abuse extends to further than just this.

Sir, I caution you that should you go abouts spouting drivel as fact you shall face more abuse.

You put forth such posts in a general forum. This is not a role play forum. If you desire "you are right Pict, you are right" I suggest you seek a role play forum. You then take offense when people challenge you upon your beliefs.

shakes head

These were the times of the New Stone Age overlapping the oncoming Bronze Age. In Scandinavia it was the Bronze Age associated with mother worship. In southern France and Spain it was the New Stone Age associated with sun worship. This was the time of the building of the circular and roofless sun temples. The European white races were energetic builders, delighting to set up great stones as tokens to the sun, much as did their later-day descendants at Stonehenge. The vogue of sun worship indicates that this was a great period of agriculture in southern Europe.

Aye, but that is pre-history so of that we cannot be sure.

The Aryans were a Eurasian people who crossed the Himilayas into India. The Celts were not a race but a culture, and the origins of this culture are disputed yet some theories suggest Asia Minor.

The Picts were ancient Britons, the Caledonian tribes were simply named that by the Romans because some had the habbit of painting their skins. Stonehenge was built before the arrival of Celtic culture in Britain, by a pre-historic indiginous culture that we know very little about.

The paint they use was most likely woad, which is not hallucinogenic, or certain copper-compound solutions. There has been some speculation, though no concrete evidence, that the Ancient Britons would ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms to induce battle frenzy, and that these mushrooms - and other psychoactive plants - were used by the practitioners of magic. In Britain there are two common species of hallucinogenic mushroom, the fly agaric (amanita muscaria) which is an ibotenic mushroom, and liberty cap (psilocybe semilanceata) which is a psilocybin mushroom.

There is evidence that the Picts fought naked, from Roman sculptural images of naked warriors fleeing in terror before Roman cavalry. The Romans, however, would often portray barbarians as naked to show their 'uncivilised' ways and vulnerablity before the Imperial war-machine. However, the Picts themselves also made carvings of themselves and the images are often of bearded spearmen with square shields and ankle-length gowns with broad-bladed round tipped swords. Others are portrayed wearing knee-length tunics with no leggings. There is evidence that the Picts knew the use of the crossbow centuries before it became widely distributed across Europe.

I stand corrected, thank you for giving more accurate information.

Well I believe that the picts ruled all of
Europe at one time. It's fiction now because it is so old it became myth. Some say that the bible is fiction. Some say it isn't.

Believe what you like, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Well it makes me feel proud that the picts ruled all of europe at one time for me having pictish blood flowing in my veins.

The thing is, I doubt you even believe that. I don't think you believe half the things you post, you're just jesting with people... testing to see their reactions. I mean, you seem like an intellegent bloke, but you keep posting this wacky bullcrap and then insist that you have these even wackier beliefs about it. And you've changed your username about three times, yet you've never been banned.

Maybe you are serious, and hey what's the definition of sane, but if you're not I thank you for creating a thread where we can discuss history because I happen to enjoy the subject. History is, after all, the reconstruction of the past using evidence.

Hey I do believe it. And this is not Bullcrap. I'm serious about this topic. Just please give me a chance here. I love history. I find the picts very interesting. I'm wrting something about the picts by the way. I know alot of people can't take my sense of humor sometimes but I understand. Some people just don't have a sense humor. but I'm serious about this topic and my other ones as well. I hate when people put down the picts.

I still don't believe you, and I doubt you even expect me to.

Fine......

I've finished reading this thread for the first time and I have a few things to say, at which point I'll flag this thread for being cleaned so that this off-topic post of mine can be removed and some of the unnecessary harshness can be toned down. I'm surprised that there are some comments that are closed minded in here by those I thought to be very open minded. I frowned reading this thread, because too many of it's posts are peppered with so many condescending remarks.

Hopefully if Pict/Rabbit reads this he'll get the message I need him to see too. I had placed Pict under moderation temporarily and sent him an email. The reason for moderation was because he was posting duplicate messages in different forum sections. I notified him of this by email. He didn't reply, so in fairness he may not have received it. This moderation only meant that his posts would be private until one of the Admins marked it for public viewing. Pict created a new account, instead of going through the moderation. Maybe he didn't know, so I'm giving him benefit of doubt. I'm leaving this message public as it's not so bad, which is something I normally don't do.