ok i have been hearing lately that the vampires of the world are at the top of the food chain but are we really............

its not like we acctually make a differance in the world not many know that we exist and what we really are which is a good thing but how can we be at the top of the food chain if we are considered a myth or legend or what ever...............

what do you think are we at the top of the food chain or not..............

i appolagise for spelling mistakes.............................................

i think we are, the food chain is only there to say where certain organisms get their energy, i believe vampires should should be on slightly higher than humans, because although they are human *shrugs* they still need (using need in it's broadest sense) to take a little blood, but they also need food from the same sources as humans, so in a simple food chain they would be considered slightly higher

I see two arguements (ok, three) that could be made regarding this post.

Arguement one is that indeed they are, due to the fact that nothing preys upon them. Belief or nonbelief does not factor into this, because if there were a Tyrannosaurus Rex in New York, it's there wether you believe it or not.

Arguement two is that they are not at the top of the food chain, due to the fact that their limited numbers prevent them from ruling the chain. Given that they consume some, and normal humans consume LOTS, normal humans are at the top.

Of course, the third arguement is that they are not at the top of the food chain because they do not exist.

Myself, I go with arguement two. Sure, there's nothing that preys upon vampires with the exception of slayers (and there is some doubt as to the existance of true slayers)... but they do not prey enough to be considered tops over normals. Like it or not, you're not overpoweringly strong in numbers.

i agree with you creature feature the fact that there arnt many true vampires and the fact that we dont gather in large groups means that really the other people
(and i say other people because i see myself as completly human just different).............. ^_^
are much more of a predator than us........................................... <_<

creature, food chains are not how much you consume or how big your numbers are, but where you get your energy from, vampires get theirs from animals AND humans, therefore vampires must be above humans...

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I think we are at the top of the food chain.But also you could say mortals are to. They have the technology to kill us. :ph34r:

Perhaps, Prince.

Then again, the arguement could be made that the top of the food chain belongs to whatever takes the total greatest amount. In that instance, humans are far above anything else.

In that case, you'd have to share your spot with for instance larger carnivores like tigers, crocodiles, lions, wolves...not to mention the occational cannibal...

And, since you don't really eat them, merely drink a little blood now and then, you can add in fetishists, blood cults and certain satanic branches, to name a few...

Clearwitch is quite right :)

To me the Food chain is just something that someone has made up too make themselves feel big... The fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a food chain , all creatures are Equal , each has a advantage and they also have a disadvantage.

I think we should start a Secret Vampire organisation! Like Skull and Bones! Only Vampires allowed!

Why not? B)

To stop the food chain blabing!

I think you should try sticking to the topic...

OK ... this topic looks a lot like to posturing for power. But I will go with it anyway. Although a vampire does have certain abilities ... those abilities alone do not propel it to the top of the food chain.

In the purest of definitions ... the term "food chain" speaks to how animals eat other animals as a matter of survival.

A vampire fits into the food chain only in the same respect that a human fits into the food chain. By consuming the flesh of lesser animals.

Vampires consume a portion of others ... i.e.... blood, energy, life-force ... but they do not kill to eat ... and that is the difference.

A vampire is a carnivore and therefore a part of the food chain ... only in the sense that humans are carnivorous ... if they consume meat.

I know that some of you are going to take offense with my next statement .... but I speak as one who has lived with her vampire nature longer then most of you have been alive. I have no desire to see vampires as all powerfull super creatures. Vampirism is a parasitic nature. And although quite adept in what they do ... a parasite does not find itself near the top of the food chain based solely on its parasitic nature. Unless of course ... it merely tags along for the ride.

No offense Mister but denying the existance of the food chain is like denying the existance of say gravity or time. Its just something that happens, its cause and effect. Its not about just animals but plants, bacteria and eventually sunlight.

Now as for vampires place in it......they on feed on humans. Thus they are above humans. Just as rabbits are above grass.

Taiwo ... I would have to disagree ... vampires don't kill and eat humans ... how would taking blood, energy or life-force elevate vampires above non-vampires on the food chain. Unless they killed them as a matter of consumption ... it just does not make logical sense.

Where vampires and non-vampires are concerned ... it is not a matter of eat or be eaten ... kill or be killed. We are speaking of "Real Vampires" here ... not creatures of legend or myth.

The food chain speaks to a cycle of life and death in nature ... so unless you are planning on introducing a "super vampire" into the mix ... the concept of superiority in the "food chain" is flawed.

i though the whole idea was that it was who you preyed on , for example sharks prey on smaller fish and rabbits prey on grass.

Hey Dead ... ~smiles~ ... nice to see you hun. You know me ... just can't let an argument die ... or in this case ... be eaten... ~grins~

By your comparison ... it doesn't fit .... Sharks eat little fish ... rabbits eat grass ... wolves eat foxes ... vampires do not "eat" people ... they feed off of them ... there is a fundamental difference. A vampire exists off of the existence of another ... without terminating the existence of that upon which it feeds ... therefore vampires are parasitic.

Does this mean I don't get any more hugs .... ~winks~

but we do Feed on them, just because someone or something feeds on something else, dosnt mean they have to kill them.

Well food chain means to eat, vampires do not eat humans..they don't even need them to survive. The intake of blood is to stabilize body and mentality but without this it does not make the vampire near death by any means. Not to mention vampires can get their energy from the blood of animals..alot in our modern times are in fear of diseases from people so they get blood from butcher shops and what not. And if one is purely psi then what need they in humans? Psi is a bit more universal I'd say, as long as the psychic energy is there from whatever being, they feed off it.

Ticks do not kill dogs but they feed upon them. Giraffes do not kill trees yet they feed from them. The sun is at the base of all food chains. Plants do not kill the sun yet they feed upon its energy. And vampires do not kill yet they feed upon humans. Don't you remember those diagrams you got in school with rabbits and grass with the sun in the middle? The food chain.

~mmm warm feeling~

~grins at Taiwo~ Ticks, leeches, mosquitoes ..... nopers... no vampires in my picture diagram.... damn public school education... ~squints at the sun~ B) Do like the grass though ... nice and cool on bare feet at night.... ~sighs~

We had creaky old BBC that had a program were you could vindictively wipe out all the rabbits and watch as the foxes died of malnutrition and grass grew all over the show. It never occurred to me to ask Mr. Wllis what happens to vampires if one murders all the rabbits.

Well point being all of those things above depend on their resource, vampires do not depend on humans...I'd say they are both in the same chain side by side.

Not all vamps can live without fresh blood. However not all of them need fresh blood.

No no no no no no no, Dead. There are no documented cases of ANYONE who will die if they do not consume blood.

Therefore, all vamps can live without blood. Otherwise, most of the people on this site who claim to be Sanguine would be dead already.

no the sangui dont need blood to live , but i cant rember saying they did..


I am talking about the Inherators and Classicals...

Emphasis on the ANYONE.

Actually i was going to put more Emphasis on that , there also isnt any Documented cases where vamps see better at night , does that mean that we dont , there is no documented case that vamps even excist as far as i know , that dosnt mean that we dont....


And i am sure there are Documented cases , it is just that you havnt seen it , i am sure the Goverments had a look into vampirism... i am sure they have cases.

I do believe there is a "disorder" where people need blood to live, I wish I knew the disease name..but people inject it, and in the old days that was one thing that happend..these people would need blood so they attacked others, believe it or not. Hopefully someone here knows the name of the disease, and yes they do need the blood to live..

Hate to break it to you folks, but Vampires/humans are not at the top of the food chain: Our pets are. Think about it, in a sense we are their slaves. We feed them, bathe them, etc and for the most part their only job is to sit around and respond to our affection.

That's not the food chain, Meatros... that's ease of living.

The only way our pets are on the top of the food chain is if they eat us... and while Fluffy may be a big dog, fluffy does not chew on me.

I guess if vampire needs to know if there at the top of the food chain, maby you should try visting your local zoo and jump in the lions den!! make sure to tell me when someone in here is going to do that so i can grab my cam corder and send my tape to, WHEN ANIMALS ATACK 3 that airs on the fox network, I guess then we could find out whos realy at the top of the food chain......................

IANAB-I see, so a cat who eats their dead master would be at the top, right?

Given that they have taken out the top of the food chain... yes. In their microecology, anyways.

I forgot to say, that I stand corrected, regarding my notion of the food chain.

right!sure if you say so!!!!

People with anemia and porphyria will die without a supply of blood.

Saint Mike, reply on topic or do not reply at all. Insulting, mocking, or otherwise disrespectful posts will not be tolerated.

Now, White... while those guys need a SUPPLY of blood, they do not need to consume it. Matter of fact, consuming it will destroy it in the stomach.

When people suffered from anemia or porphyria before the 1900's anyone with these diseases were told by their physicians to drink the blood.

When the blood is consumed, yes a good majority of it is destroyed, however enough remains intact to be absorbed by the stomach lining and intestine to help the carrier of this disease.

Yes, today people do not actually drink blood if they have anemia or porphyria, they probably get it through needles, at a doctors. However, they do need consume blood in some fashion in order to survive.

Yeah...

They also thought that anyone with any communicable disease could be cured by cutting them to let the "bad" blood out... whch in turn infected thousands of doctors and nurses with the disease... which lead to more cutting.

The 1900's. Gotta love them for medical science. However, I do find one thing about 1900's medicine that was good. That one thing is.... drum roll please.... if you claimed to be a thousand year old vampire back then, they shot your ass.

:lol: i thought they dug you up and staked you! :P

or was it they shoved garlic down your throat... i can never remember

No no, I mean, if you were a living breathing human and claimed to be a thousand year old vampire, they shot you.

if only that were allowed now, would stop people roleplaying, that's for damn sure

They did? I didnt know that.. I thought they put people like that in jail.. :P

dunno about porphyria, isn't it just light sensitive skin?

I'm anemic though. Just means I get headaches and have odd colored skin.

Taiwo:

All vamps i know suffer from anemic. It seems to be one of our trates.

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Vampires were killed in the 1900, they were considered to be "damned" and there was no help for them, however most of the Real Vamps lived out of town and kept to them selves for that same reason. Vamps were very heavy Procercuted (spelling) against... Seems like Civilization hasnt evolved that much in the past 1000 years....

well you know what they say, drink peoples blood, you're gunna get...iron deficiancy

Two points:

1) If all vampires suffered from it, and you're a vampire, wouldn't you at least know the correct spelling of it? I mean hell, if I suffered from elephantiasis of the penis, I sure wouldn't spell it wrong. It personally affects me, enough that I would know the spelling. The disease you refer to is anemia, not anemic.

2) Vampires weren't considered "damned" in the 1900's. People claiming to be one back then weren't either. They were considered mental cases, a diagnosis which is still at least partially correct for some (and completely correct for some of the wacko delusional types in here). Also, Vampires weren't heavily persecuted in the 1900's, because by that time, they had gotten the sense to realize they were not real.

You've got to understand, Dead^Soul, that the popularity of "being a vampire" isn't much older than you. The notion is only about 25 years old, being made "cool" by such types as Aleister Crowley and associates.

Taiwo:

lol , a point of blood a day keeps the doc away