thoughts please, I'm really curious as to what people think about this.


I do not believe that vampires are living dead.
Nor that they are older than humans as a race; in my opinion there's nothing mythic about the origin.
Vampires, or rather humans that call themselves (or is, if you like) vampires, have so many simillarities that, if you consider Darwin's thesis, they HAVE to be related, if not being the same. I would presume the last...


Personally I think vampirism evolved from humanity. Either by psychological adjustment (the mind and the spirit's need for a 'darker' reality), or in extreme cases a genetic mutation (perhaps related to cannibalism) which means that some people actually need neurishment from human blood.


So, MY belief is that vampirism is a cannibalistic phenomenom within the race of the species homo sapiens.
NOT an own race.



any other thoughts?

I don't even think of vampires as a unique especie, humans, maybe mutations, if not just following a lifestyle that they think is "spooky", although it isn't, I would call it foolish, for they behave as animals.

You are right, not an own race, not even another step in human evolution, just a psicollogical phenomena that is affecting each time more and more people.

hehe, you're probably right...

I think that vampires evolved after Adam and Eve were created.I am not exactly sure how but that's what I believe.I really think that were not living dead we are just a race of immortal people whom no one really knows quite clearly about.

Darkvamp6791

In terms of a classical vampire evolution would be a necessary process just as it was necessary for humans to evolve. They too would have had to acclimate to changes and do things differently for survival to the point where the adjustments because something that was inbreed and or taught.

Would make sense, but can you imagine what a "classical" would be able to do by now if that was something that occured? What would be the rate of evolution and how would that be determined?

Personally I believe that there are many species on the planet that we haven't even begun to discover ... let alone understand fully.

Eg: In a teaspoon of rainforest soil there are over 5,000 micronisims that we are unable to identify.

We have yet to really begin to explore our planet and everything in it.

Could it be that Vampires are a dying breed that are related to humans? We have all different races of humans... could they be another race that were perhaps hunted and killed off to near extinction and were forced into hiding because of that genocide? (This is typical of human behavior... to attack and kill that which we do not understand, fear or cannot control to some degree.)

Perhaps over years of being in hiding that have learnt to evolve an adapt into a new environment that essentially helps to cloak and protect them from persecution by the rest of the human race? Much the same way humans over time have evolved to suit our environment.

At this point I would even say it was plausible that there are varying races of Vampires as well.

I agree with Sanctuary.Like I said before in another thread,it's all based on a persons belief on a fact.

Darkvamp6791

Thank you doll for supporting what I said. Unfortunately everything is hypothetical at the moment about vampires and evolution in relation to humans, I wish that we could know more.

- runs off to research -

Darkvamp: you do keep saying the same things in all the threads; any reason in particular?

Consider the Neanderthal. A species of man very much like us, that existed some 230,000 to 30,000 or so years ago and seemed to vanish for reasons we only theorize about. They coexisted with Cro-Magnon (about 45,000 to 10,000 years ago) briefly, and this is who we are evolved from. With similiar thoughts and theories on this transferred to the vampire concept, it could have very well been an oral tradition or story passed down through generations before writing of a species of man that was somewhat vampiric in trait. A blood drinker. A flesh eater. Stronger, faster, and seemingly immortal in comparison.

How much different would someone have to be genetically, to be considered a different specie?

Maybe the two races were even able to reproduce with each other, and produce living offspring...in time, they would blend together, and the two races would become one...but the stories would still be there.

It could be purely cultural as well, many cultures practiced various forms of blooddrinking, native americans, for example, believed that by drinking the blood of the animal they killed, they'd gain the soul and strengths of that animal.

The concensus is that Neanderthal and our ancestors would have been unable to reproduce with each other. This sometimes gets altered but then generally goes back to the conclusion that they could not have based on mitochondrial DNA studies and more.

okay, it seams that your contries dont impose the same classes as canada(not to be an insult) here is what i have learnt in sec 1 ecology: to be considered as the same species, two organisms must, amongst others, be able to reproduce to create an offspring that can reproduce(and so on) example:a horse and a donkey are very similar and can even have offspring together:a mule(i think...fuclk im forgetting it) but a mule cannot reproduce

one of the things i have been speculating is that perhaps vamps are a different species...that they are close but not exactly alike to humans, like orangoutangs and chimpanzees for example, darwin said we evolved from the chimp(if i can remember it properly) but what if another monkey(oranoutang for example) also evolved and became cannibal, drinking its own specie's blood for years, maybe even centuries before realising that thier "cousins" are just as reliable for food, if not better???

I quite like this idea. :punk:

Taking the view one stage further, given that mankind is still evolving, we are getting smarter (depends on your viewpoint), living longer, our big toes are getting smaller, if a vampire was an undead creature it could not evolve. Yes it could live forever and learn to adapt to it's surroundings. But is that evolving? So as mankind evolves around the world an undead vampire just learns to adapt to the world as it grows around it, but does it evolve? I must lay off the heavy stuff :icon11:

actually evolution doesnt take place over a single organism's life, its a slow process where ever generation is slightly more adapted to the surrounding than the previous, if a vampire was to live over 9 generations(300 years), the difference wouldnt be noticed

changing within one generation is mutation(i think)

if i ever say anything wrong, correct me