Ok, so I'm new here and I don't know much about Vampires and the background behind it all. Personally I'm puzzled about Vampires. There's a part of me that believes in them but another part that says it's all fiction. So just wondering how can you prove something like this.. and if there is Vampires how exactly did they become. I'm keeping an open mind about it and just trying to find out for my own knowledge. For some reason the idea of Vampires excites me. I think it would be extrodinary if such a thing/person did exist. I'm not saying they do or don't and I'm not tryign to affend anyone at all in the least, just out of curiosity I suppose.

It is an extraordinary idea for anyone, mortal or not.

It is not for every passerby who takes interest.

Kind of hard to prove something this extreme. But as for how they came about, it just depends on the theory you read.

SweetNightmares

It would not be hard to prove for an immortal Vampire, but for those who just seem to fancy themselves Vampires of one sort or another, it would be impossible to prove except by supernatural means (but as these could be imitated by any petty witch, this could still be debated).

It depends on the person and their believes.I think that vampires came of existence when mortals did too.It's just all on what people believe and trust on.

Darkvamp6791

Give up on trying to prove vampires exist, because there isn't one tiny shred, not a fragment of a microcosm of a piece of a suggestion that they exist. All you got is blind faith if they do or not.

Faith can do wonderful things. And admittedly, it can do extremely bad things. We are capable of the greatest dreams and the worst nightmares.

I suppose you could argue that the very idea of vampires, and how long it has survived through the ages, could hint at a possible existance?

People can believe in a God on blind faith, although admittedly, there is more of a reason for them to do so.

Throne777

Our existence could be considered evidence of god's existence.

That would depend on what one considers "vampire". I know of several people who live a vampire lifestyle, for instance.

As far as the classical ones, personally I like to entertain the concept that they are out there - and they exist, despite the dearth of evidence as to their existence, and it would be a rather bleak and boring world if we didn't let ourselves believe in the possibilties thereof.

I dunno, I don't see the need to believe.
Nor do I honestly understand it.

I haven't seen proof that Jedi Knights exist either, but I like the idea that they're out there, protecting all of Life.
I'd hate to see a world that completely disbelieves in them - we'd never have the great romance and Gothic stories, all the vampire inspired movies and books, etc. One has to have some measure of faith in order to create such works.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

I dunno I reckon I could write a story on Jedi Knights of Vampires that might not be complete crap, or whatever my imagination can dredge up. Doesn't mean I believe in them. I mean it would be so far beyond cool if they were around, but alas and alack...

*shrug*

But as you said, whatever your "imagination can dredge up".

The Catholic Church claiming that the world was flat and the center of the universe for a thousand years (going so far as to burn people at the stake for saying otherwise) didn't make them right.

Well, I actually believe that classicals don't exist, because I have no tangible proof and I would not be able to prove it to you that they did.

I do believe that modern vampires exist however and that the defintiion of a vampire and what that entails has changed.

Its funny if you think about it . . .

The scientific community shows no physical evidence that proves that vampires exist.

However, every culture and sub-culture in the world have a vampire story in one form or another. The South Americans have legends of the Chupa Cabra, the Romanians have Count Dracula . . . even the Ancient Egyptians have some sort of legend of a blood sucking demon-esque creature. Understanding that all legends have their roots in an exadurated truth . . . as well as the separation of these clutures over the distances of oceans . . . I feel as though it is possible for the creature to exist, although it is likely that it is a creature that has been around since early post-jurasic days, and is, quite possibly, on the verge of extinction.

As far as the romanticized Anne Rice or Stoker's version . . . I'm not sure that a creature such as the vampire could be so beautiful. I would imagine that it is a stealthy, shadowy thing . . . and that sneaking would be its primary form of hunting as is common with all predators . . . and not by being charismatic, as depicted in books and movies.

Can you provide poof to me that they don't exist?

I mean real solid evidence...

at one point everyone thought the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. (What Ruined Saint said) Over time both were proven incorrect.

It isn't possible to prove the existence or the non-existence of vampires. Some highly simular folklore from various countries, however, has led me to believe that something much like a vampire as we know it once did exist, though they may not today. I'm not going to go into detail on the lore, but that's my little theory loosely summed up.

OK.Look people can really just believe what they want to it's all up to them and what they want.If you believe in vampires then you believe in vampires if you don't you don't.That's all there is to it.

Darkvamp6791

And that is what it comes down to the end. People's own belief in a fact. As stated above for years people thought that the world was flat because they were told it was flat. No one had anyway of proving it was round. But once it was proven it still took years to overcome this false fact. In years gone by the only form of communication was verbal and written so news spread slowly. Nowadays with all out media outlets communications, new findings etc are assimulated by the masses before anyone has chance to understand them. And yet people still put their faith in things that have no scientific proof exist. Our ancestors had faith in their many gods, the Knights of the crusades had faith in their god. The people they fought also had faith in their god though. So rather than the question do Vampires exist, should it not be why do we humans have faith in things that we cannot prove exist? - Very deep...... :icon12:

Mortals put faith in something they can not see or hear because they have beliefs in their own.Immortals don't have to belive what they want nor do mortals but yes,it's all based on a persons belief on a fact.Even if it is standing right in front of them.

Darkvamp6791

Is it not beliefs in their own failings? Our lives may be bad so we have faith in a better afterlife. Our lack of money bends our faith in the lottery, but our moral beliefs prevent us from robbing the nearest bank. Faiith and beliefs are a dangerous combination and have ignited many wars as depending on what side of the fence you are on both sides are right. As foir immortals having no beliefs I find that hard to believe (if you pardon the pun). Not the belief part the immortal part. Nothing is immortal and everything in the end passes. So even a being that considers themselves to be immortal (a few people on this site) have beleif in that fact. They are immortal :banana00:

Our faith is our greatest failing, but lack of faith in something is a great weakness. Everything has a yin and yang; there must always be balanced. Some are believers and others are not; but both parties have reason for their beliefs. Doesn't make anyone wrong or right.

And there in lies human weakness. In that we cannot stop enforcing our beliefs or faith onto others. We know we are right with our beliefs and those who do not follow them are wrong. What we do not seem to understand is that from their view point their beliefs are right and ours wrong. Funny isn't it how many people have died over somthing simple, like the name of a God. People have comfort zones and like to be told what to believe. Told in the way of the TV, Films, Books, Art, Literature. All of these media do not give any proof that vampires exist, so they believe they do not exist. People do not go looking for information outside of their comfort zones.

dude it's just like the ufo shit it can't be provin or unprovin although there has been many things that have happend to prove them theres been some really crazy evidences that the fbi and otheres have covered up over the years i have read and many things and crime scene and lets just say alot ,but any way i think a vampire would not like to be noticed or known from anyone else that exsists how did they get that name any way "vampire" they might not even be or look like some people imagine i know alotof people who think they are and you know thay get that look and all but that look of vampire was just the look thay got from a movie, its not how that really look like or i don't know any way that swhat i think ohwel

Demons, transferrable by blood, that enhance strength, speed, mental ability, etc. and prolong life. They are nourished by blood, and become stronger through the transfer of blood.

I have come in contact with demons that enhance strength and mental ability, so it is intuitive that a group of demons fitting such a description (that of the classical vampire) could be the cause of the hundreds of historic legends.

You can't prove that something doesn't exist. But in this case, you can't prove that they can. I'm not saying they don't exist, but what I'm saying is no one here can provide a single iota of evidence.

But Don't you find that interesting? I mean we have all these stories and rumours... I once heard a saying something about that within every myth there was an ounce of truth. Yet true that we have no proof either way. We can't really prove they exist (unless we've been forunate enough to meet one and have it individually proven but that's experience and we each have our own there) and we can't prove they don't ... at least at this point in time.

But we can come up with all these therories / ideas and try to explore the possibilities, that alone facinates me to no end.

I like science and I'm from a school of thought where all things are possible. (some more probable than others but still possible.)

Other than 'one on one' experiences, how would we really prove or disprove it? Where would we even begin too look? In discovery there is always a starting point for a journey like this... where is the starting point for this journey?

That's the key right there. I, personally, accept the possibility of "classical vampires", and would hope that in my dealings with those who claim to be such, I might learn the truth of this. But I believe that the "myth" of vampires is very much akin to the "myth" of witches, being something that was viewed as a bad thing by a dominant culture (most likely Olde World Christianity prior to the 1500's) and twisted via word-of-mouth rumor and slander into something entirely unrecognizable from the truth.

For instance, are HLVs are new thing, or have they actually been around for a while? Would Bathory have been an HLV? What about cannibals? Or simple blood-rites or cults based on those rites?

Any of these could be twisted into the vampires of legend in the same way that the pagan faith of Europe became represented as broom-riding crones that casually fuck Satan under a full moon.