who all here believes that magic really does exist?i've had so meny people tell me otherwise,so i was wonder who agrees with me that there is magic and witches and wizards?

magic does exist, but it might work abit differently than most believe,
I think that what does the magic is not the ritual but the strong will power of the magician

I believe magic, witches and wizards exist.

I agree with what escoban said in what makes the magic...willpower and the mind is the strongest tool you have in magic and if they are strong in themselves you get the magic you need.

I've seen to many 'coincidences' not to believe in magic. Magic exists as so do witches and wizards. Met a few myself. Most of the ones living in this area are not pagans but more like users of God. They use the power of belief to work their magic which is a sin. Some pray to Satan and some even buy themselves devils to protect themselves from magic or rituals. I could go on forever, but the question was: is there magic? Well, if there are witches yes! there is magic!

I believe, I believe... :)

Yes there is magick which exists.

i strongly believe in magic and all the other stuff that goes with with it.but i figured that it could be just me because well i've been suicidal and sorta still am.

Belief in magic shouldn't have much to do with being suicidal?

I believe in magic...as the power within us all, making us capable of altering our reality, if we can only learn to control it. It's not something that makes you special, any more than reading french or eating with chopsticks makes you special. It's just another skill, one everyone's capable of learning. Like whistling.

Yes i believe in magic. I believe in witches and wizards. But, I do not believe in the moving objects, i believe they can stop time and move them and make time move again. Magic is something fair superior for any mer mortal to try and understand.

Are you suggesting witches are immortal..?

Moving objects with your mind would be easily manipulated. There are ways to manipulate the mass surrounding several molecules, so those molecules change into a harder, more rock solid... but transparent mass that could lift up a car or some such. Instead of looking at something directly, you need to look at something from all angels.

all angels... I love that mis-spelling...

was it intentional =P

Lol.


Magick is real!!!

But perhaps not in the sense you're thinking of. Magick typically always works by natural means, although there are exceptions. By natural means I mean, that if you do a spell for money perhaps, money won't magickally appear before you in a burst of a insanely copious amount of smoke, but you might find a $50 on the street a couple days later rather, or what-not.

"Magick is the science and art of causing change in conformity with will" -Crowley

I think clearwitch said it best when she compared being able to do magick as a skill... and I may not be able to whistle, but I sure as hell can cast magick. :-D

~Casimir

Magic exists. It's all around, sometimes magic can happen without your realizing it. Magic can be different for each person. For me personally, I beleive.

Well i know from 18 1/2 years experince in the occult system of magick it works

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Perhaps it worth typing to really know cause magick is really true will lined up with serious intent and thus released in some way of Gnosis.

Like everything else...Truth is a personal world..Within which nothing can be denied by others.

I do believe that magic exists too.
But it is not the Harry Potterish, waving the wand and fireworks go off around you kind of stuf - it all depends on how strong your will is.

I guess people really meant it when they say, 'be careful what you wish for, you might get it'.

magic is real, but mot the way most people believe s spell or ritural is a prayer out loud that has real effects. we cant ulter the world or anything like that but we do help and we do belong to this world, we are not a myth

Considering I am looking at sand as a moving image on a screen made of glass, I am going with yes.
Magic is simply a word used to describe something you don't understand once the method of manipulating it is explained science tends to call it science

Alchemy becomes Chemistry

Herb Magic becomes Natural Medicine

Artificers become mechanics

and so forth.

(actualy the moving image would be behind the glass rather than on it...just a pedantic note.)

The point still stands

:banana00: watch the magic bannana

So magic to you is the 'not yet known'...So nobody can really know magic? If it were really understood it wouldn't be magic.

Pretty much yes,
magic is a mystery. Like any great mystery you can look and look and spend forever trying to solve the puzzle and find the answer seeing amazing things and hearing things that boggle the mind but like any mystery as soon as you find the truth behind it all you can really say is "so that's what it was". and than the mystery "the magic" is gond from it.

Lightning was the weapon of the gods, this un-atainable power. and now we have the weapon of the gods in a bottle "so to speak" and people don't think anything of it any more "unless your dumb enough to touch it that is".

So in essence we use magic every day we just don't think anything of it.
If you had a person from the 1500's in a modern house they would freak out thinking you were a witch or something "winter in a box :refrigiration" internal temperature different than the outside with out the use of a fire. Running water.
get sick just take a pill and it passes "mostly".
not to mention airplanes,
Metal that thinks "AI"
beign able to communicate with people around the world isntantly with a pile of crystals plastic and metal "computer"

we have magic, its just not all that "magical" to us any more.

I, as well, believe in magic. But i think that your mind is the most important part of doing the magic.

I believe in magic. As thoughtforms though. Created by your consentration and energy levels. That's why many witche's, wizards, druids, warlocks etc. join covens or in the case of the druids, groves. The more people you have concentrating on one ting and the more into it they are the more powerful the thoughtform and the more powerful the energy...unless I am mistaken.

David

Your belief in something makes it stronger.

I believe in majick. I was part of a coven for a breif time, have praticed ritual spellcraft and magic. I quit because at the time it was the only choice I had that would have kept me alive and sane. Beware of meddling with powers you know nothing about. Its not sparks and flying brooms, its about your will and concentration, and if you don't have a strong enough concentration, it wont work. If you don't have the will, it will consume you and use you.

I have a question to anyone who Worships a religion that condemns the idea of magic. Do you pray? Do you ever ask for anything in your prayers? Congratulations, you cast spells. Now let that fuck with your head.....

My veiws on it are more.... eccentric than others. I used to belive in it with a pure faith, as it were. Now, I don't know what to believe any more. I know its out there, but I wonder if it is a gift meant for me. :icon6:

I believe in magic. not in the AD&D style but in a more relistic sence of the turm.
witches/wizards/warlocks/sorceres/shaman/medicine men....ect... all do exsist.

I believe!
Magic isn't exactly what everyone assumes it is. Its like the force on Star wars. Illusions and magic are two different things. Illusions is what Lance Burton and David Copperfield do, magic is a movement around a person who has done the studies.

I believe in magick with all my heart.. it is everywhere... some of it is a simple like a prayer...it all depends on whether you do believe or not

Magic exists it is known to the world as life :lookaround:

okay, first of all, terminology please! magick is the witchcraft practice, including fairys and pixies etc, and then you have magic, which is what magicians do. Please refer to the correct one...okay..i believe in magick, and i agree with many of the previous posts, its a form of the willpower as well as magick...a combination.....

Absolutley. I hate it when people get their words mixed up. And another thing, posers piss me off. They're just in it because it sounds cool, theres no sense of reality.

Oh, I don't know, I use magic for both things. Magick isn't a catch-all term for supernatural dealings, it's just a fancy spelling that Aleister Crowley thought up. Just like "vampyre", the spelling makes little difference. It's another way of trying to appear special and unique.

what ever tickles your fancy then,...im going 2 bed..nite all

Alternate spellings serve no purpose to true practioners.

Magik, Magick, Magic. Thats just annoying and new agist rubage. As you can probably tell spelling things 100% correctly isn't one of my scruples so long as whats being said is understood.

It just like the term Lycan instead of werewolf just to sound hip. to me a "Lichen" same pernounciation as Lycan is moss not a werewolf.

Witchcraft is witchcraft, not "magik" that makes it sound like those freaky French circuses or something.

you want to harp on termonology than I can hold you to not say magic at all to anything your talking about and insist you use terms like Chi skills, Necromancy, Geomancy, elemental manipulation, Sorcery, Alchemy, Summoning, Archaic Magi sorcery, Echantment, Psychic manipulation, and so forth.

But magic just dumbs it all down for everyone so lets not try to be picky over semantics here okay.

i had completely missed something hadent i?

What do you mean?

I believe in energy of the mind, that can affect the world around us. I believe that we have more than five senses. I believe that energy can be manipulated in nearly infinite ways. I believe that we can communicate with forces and intelligences that are not human. I believe that the world is a hell of a lot more than what skeptics would admit to. And I believe that belief has power of its own.
If that is your definition of magic, then I believe in it.

My definition of magic might not be the same as yours..

It's pretty close to mine. :)

i meant i had missed alot in this topic from not coming here often

I believe that magic is the description for the invisible workings of spirits (both good and evil) by force of willpower or covenant. A covenant with a spirit may or may not be concious, but the gained effect provides a temporal fixture for the spirit.

Personally, I believe that the spirits contacted are angels and demons, because I am a Christian. Possession by a demon is therefore the fulfillment of a serious covenant between human and demonic entity.

To sum it up with an example, bending a spoon through "psychic power" would happen through the subconscious contact and covenant with a demon to bend the spoon in exchange for something, from minor control of mental function, to something more serious like full possession.

Magic, takes on several different interpretations. These definitions will be as vast as ones pool of question participants. Thus, each definition will be individual in nature as well as in practice. In an attempt to discern common place from urban myth and even ancient misconception, there are terms that can be looked to if one wishes to find the square hole for the square peg.

Terms to know:
Magick: Often times refers to slight of hand illusionary parlor tricks that are meant for the enjoyment and entertainment of an audience or participant.

Magic:
It is speculated that Alistair Crowley wanted to disassociate the practices of Hermetecisim and his own theory of Thelema with the traditional term or definition of Magick or parlor trickery. Therefore he dropped the letter “K” when refereeing to the arts and fundamental practices of Thelema. The current spelling of Magic has hence become common place when referring to the Occult Arts and Scieneces in general.

Majic / Magek / Magik / Other Spellings:
These mispellings seem to be the product of New Aged dabblers who flock to Paganism, Witchcraft, Occultism and other philosophies of a polytheistic origin in an attempt to individualize and disseminate their practice from what would be considered the mainstream. However, this does not denote that the use of such alternate spellings is wrong or should be regarded as such. As with most individual paths, sometimes such oddities are what make that practice unique to the individual practitioner.

Witchcraft:
I thought I would add this one for good measure. The term Witch often times refers to “Wise one” or an individual who has a great level of proficiency in the Occult arts and sciences. Craft, is easily described as what someone does. This is often used when describing ones employment or worthy contribution to a greater level of expertise or specialization. Word phrases like Wood Craft, Textile Craft and Boat Craft among others are used when describing work on a generalized basis. The individual will most often times be referred to as “Craftsman” in regard to that area of expertise. Thus to put it plainly Witchcraft means “Craft of the Wise”.

White Magic:
Often refers to practitioners of the “White Light” traditions and paths. Wicca, Picta, Streaga and some individual forms of Witchcraft refer to their practice as White Magic in order to put others at ease. Good Witch, Non Hexing, Love and Light and Healing Arts among other terms are also used to dissociate themselves with stereotypes such as Devil Worship. Not all but a good majority use a guideline, rule or set of predetermined “do’s” and “don’ts” in which to restrict unruly or questionable behavior. The most common form of this rule is known as the Wiccan Rede as it concerns white light and white magic pantheons. However, just as not all Witches and Wiccan and not all Wiccans are Witches, the rules that apply should be determined on an individual basis.

Black Magic:
Black Magic can take on the exact opposite of the defining guidelines of White Magic. Here we get into subjectivity and the debate of Good versus Evil when comparing the two. Black Magic can be termed as the willful manipulation of others without their consent and the willful manipulation of environment using any practice without fear of reprisal for the methodology and implementation of said actions. Highly debatable!

Lesser Black Magic (LBM)
LBM is a term that describes the use of verbal or written word play to manipulate ones environment, situation and directly or indirectly, that of another. This term is most often used by a particular organization as a part of their philosophy. Thus it is not commonplace to many traditions.

Greater Black Magic (GBM)
GBM Is a term used to describe ritualized workings that will like LBM manipulate ones environment, situation and directly or indirectly, that of another.

So, to answer the question on a personal level Yes, I believe whole heartedly in Magic in all of its many forms. I could really care less about the sociological pragmatic labelism that is associated pigeonholing one person into a group or category. I am simply me, and the beliefs that I have are a culmination of life experience and classical as well as individualized learning.

I am not going to provide an Occult Resume’ in an attempt to impress, shock or amaze. My beliefs are individual in nature. Thus, in order to fully understand it one would have to have lived my life. By the same token, I could not judge or scrutinize that of another or their belief system because I have not lived their life. As such, we are then truly individual, perhaps with similarities and common ground to draw from.

Sweet Screams!

~ Remanifesting Void ~

Are you sure you didn't confuse magic and magick up there? ;) The -k spelling is a Crowley speciality.

I personally don't care much for names, or spelling. It's all magic, that undeniable force around us. Wether we pray, cast spells, or just put trust in our fate, luck or determination, it's all the same. Different methods for basically the same outcome.

I think you are right,... I did mistake the "K" for +IC. My apologies, to every one.

And you see kids, this is why we should not mix prescription medications with lack of sleep and alcohol.

Sigh,.....

I will be hoping for some Sweet Dreams / Screams!

A very tired,

~ Remanifesting Void ~

Oh please, let's not bring Crowley into this.



I like this a lot, however I think it should be noted that not everyone involved in the Occult believes in some of these different kids. I don't particularly believe in a dark majik, and I don't believe that whatever I put out comes back to me 3-fold. But I do enjoy reading this a lot and it was very good information. :]

Why?
A lot of Western concepts of magic and other such occult ideas were born from his work.

Throne777

I definately "believe" that magic(k) exists. I've experienced it for myself.

It's only using/manipulating the energy that the Earth has already provided. Astrologers always talk of how the OUTER planets effect us here as human beings on Earth. But some of them forget to emphasize the powers of the closest planet to us--Earth itself!

im a necromancer, would you consider what i do magic? i mean, magic in general means a lot of things.

Explain what you do, and I might be able to answer. Just saying "I'm a necromancer" is much too vague.

I personally do believe in Magic... (however you want to spell it. ) there is magic in everything and everywhere. I suppose you could say I'm a "practitioner of the occult"...


I prefer not to put a definition on it. Magic has no real definition either. It's different for all people. It can be the workings of "the craft".. ;)

or it can be the fact that your husband was miraculously brought home to you after serving in the war (for an example)... it's limitless and endless depending on what one person believes from the next.

If you're asking if I believe in working rituals, making potions, talking to spirits, plane surfing, energy manipulation, ley lines, etc.. then yes I believe it that also, most definetly.

Many would see a necromancer as someone who wakes the dead to do his bidding thanks to Hollywood. What do you do in the field of necromancy?