i dont know how they are called in english
in spanish its "los libros apocrifos" so...

do you believe the church hides things from catholics and the world?
have you ever read any of these books? do you know what they say?

there are many versions of the apocalipsis
there are many prophets unknown
snt thomas was a gnostic who wrote christs life as if he was a normal guy

what do you know about these?

btw: the image doesn't show completely, like ti was only partialy uploaded

about the hiding game played by the church, I do believe it is there and that it is massive,
like I heard the church officialy recognised the earth to be round in like 1920 or something, and Galileos books were taken out of the banned list in the last 20 yrs...

also I've heard alot of the "Jesus gospel", the'yre thought to have it, but hdie it since it would destroy the catholic church (hte whole, "The kingdom of god is inside us and all arround us not in houses of wood and stone, split a piece of wood and u will find me, lift a stone and I shall be there" thing... )

ok I admit, I watched Stigmata a bit too many times,
but still,
I think Stigmata wa son to something

stigmata is not historic it is all made up
the idea is cool

I think that this gospel of Jesus really does exist,
atleast form what I've heard of the historical Jesus, it would be just like him to write something like that,
and it would be just like church to hide it

so yeah, I do think something's there...

I walk into a place of worship. On a bench in front of an altar there is a woman kissing a pendant. Believing its power with her words can protect ther. This amulet of witchcraft that I will not name. This was to draw the power of Witchcraft through the spirit of a Saint.

To the left and to the right..two more pagan items in sight.

to one side a virgin godess image was there.. to the the other a god witch did give his life.

Mary to the right with a kneeling post in front..the other a man which they loved and still flaunt.

They call him Jesus. They do kneel and prey.. they have been fooled into kneeling before and do pray.

The second commandment will destroy them within... because they are Catholic..to them they can not sin.

I love all Catholics.. but .. they have been living in a shroud of darkness forever.
St. Paul turned in a slave he found. And this from someone that was once a slave to Egypt. He had quickly lost his way.

No shock to me that Catholic priests took advantage of the young they cared for. All evil things will do this.

I have read what is known as the Apocrypha, maybe skimmed is a better word, there didn't seem to be anything "mindblowing" included in them. These text were not part of the original Hebrew bible but were added in the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Old Testament).

I do agree however that ther are some texts that were deliberatly excluded by the church from the bible. These exclusions seem to have been motivated a lot by sexism and class discrimination.

There is a book called "The Q Gospel" that is supposed to be the lost teachings of Jesus but i have never read it.

I'm going to post my total belief here. The catholic church is all one big hypocritical lie. The pastors preach one thing, and turn around and rob the people of their money. It's like a whore house, and they're the pimps. The Catholics hide everything that is meant to be taught from people because it's probably something the people don't want to hear. For one, God is not entirely a forgiving God. Think about it, if you lie to him once and he forgives you, then you do it again, he's not going to forgive you again. There are many "lost books" out there, and the pastors and people above them all know where they are, they're just keeping them from us...

End of story.

Very interesting


-Necurata

*rubs eyes* Thats the most blatant :spam: I have ever seen!

Now to answer the question....yes, the church hides ALOT of shit. Its called control and manipulation techniques.

I would find it hard to confess my "sins" to a man in a booth that is capable of having sexual contact with my child or that of others. They have no legitimacy in there role. Who are they to forgive Our sins?
:fpope:
:blowup:

From what I understand it is not the Church that forgives sins God does, the Church just intercedes. Having said that I must say that I am anti-confession and I agree with your statement Moonshade.


-Necurata

The book is already to large. No one would read it. That's what other books are for. Imagine hundreds or thousands of stories about false prophets. They usually look for something with a profound meaning or reinforcement in the belief of God.

At least one false prophet story would be nice. May be Solomon is. You know people make a big deal about him, but the only thing he really did was practice magic and get everyone exiled for it.

ughh, church, i wish my memory wasnt so bad, and since i have been Forced to read the bible on a number of occassions.....i find it to the the most wonderful work of fiction ever written, as for the church hiding things....you were right they didnt say the world was round until within the last 100 years, they hide texts, scriptures, everything, the church is the worlds most powerful private goverment and control factor in the world, think of the church as your national goverment hiding things from you because you cant handle the truth. your right god forgives you not the priest, so why in the middle ages did they stop giving out pardons from the church and start selling them......personaly i am not christian, i had the life forced down my throat until i was 13 and i'm not even sick enogh to take a nice fresh soul and cram all that garbage in their heads and clog it up with the fear of an imaginary father figure that is going to damn me to hell because i didnt go to a building once a week and throw money into a plate and beg for forgiviness for what ever transgressions i made in the past week, rambling sorry

oh one last thing, the christian faith seems to have the greatest loop hole of all the religions in it, and correct me if i am wrong i'll even pour the bbq sauce on myself and sit on the grill all you have to do is flame me, but so long as you repent sins right before you die, god has to accept it and let you into heaven? sounds like the ultimate just in case religion that most people who claim to follow it dont, but have it just as a back up plan. oh the grill turn on switch is over there :::points down and to the left::::

Truer words never spoken my friend,one of the myriad reasons why I've turned my back on organized religion.From what I understand these "lost books" were not considered "divinely inspired" and it was decided to leave them out of the greatest story book ever written.
"reject the conformity of the masses..think for thyself"

The part I love was how Sigmata was fake but the stuff they found out was real. Thats just funny to me, Sorry. Its all real or its all fake. Or is that what they what you to believe?

St Paul has a lot to bloody answer for....What a...*Blasphemy*

"there shall always be darkness in the light and light in the dark." :icon6:

I think the RCC is ever un-aware of anything.

I've read some of the books of the Apocrypha and the Nag Hammadi. Pretty interesting stuff! I found the additional creation myth information pretty interesting, goes into so much more than just poof there was Adam, poof he lost a rib now there's Eve.

Here's a link to the Gnostic Library if anyone is interested. Most of the books are archived here: http://www.gnosis.org/library.html

I did quite a lot of research into the bible when i was around 16 and the old testament is heavily edited.

For example, in genesis it says that God created man and woman and then later on pinched a rib off Adam and created woman again. In between these two paragraphs is the story of Adam's first wife, she refused to obey Adam and fled.

Its fairlywell documented now but nobody realised until the discovery of the dead sea scrolls in the 70s (where i think the section was still in place ).

The point is that the bible is a couple of thousand years old and nothing can survive for that long in its original condition. It doesn't necessarily mean that the entire document is a pack of lies.

If your looking at christianity its good place to start but its not the only thing that you should be looking at.

In my humble opinion....Christianity and Judaeism are the same old story told in a different light.

Quiz time....who was born the son of god from a mortal woman? Fought evils here on earth, was tempted by evil, died and rose to sit on the right side of God? Jesus? No, Hercules. Hercules was given a Hebrew name..Joshua...the story was easily accepted by the Greeks (cause they heard it before) and the Greek for Joshua = Jesus.

You can thank Emporer Constatine and the Council at Nicea for the garbage that you have before you today. To all the Christians out there, I really didn't mean to offend you, but please...ask questions.

Here's a little question for you... did you know that many people have changed the words in the Bible? And not saying that just because it's LIKELY. It's been proven and history recorded it. An example... Somewhere in the Bible it states "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live." That was changed by a man (whom I forget his name... sorry but I have a bad memory and I read this quite a while ago.. hehe) who was scared to death of witchcraft. It originally said "Thou shall not suffer a POISONER to live." A bit of a difference there, eh?
There are many other recorded instances of people changing a word here or there, such as that. I myself am Wiccan (as I've stated in another topic) and don't believe in the teachings of Christianity. But I try to stay open minded and I research anything I can get my hands on... read read read... lots of random stuff!
Also, Christianity has many many many many Pagan roots, and books talking about the Pagan sides of Christianity were most likely the ones hidden by the Church. Just my opinion... Feel free to criticize/comment/question.

Absolutely the church hides things, the gospels that are read now are not in the original form and there are books the church did not want the people to know about otherwise people would question the church. The gospels were written some 80 yrs. after the disciples died. Women especially were made to feel sinful as a way to keep them from realizing their true ablilities. God was not the one in control of the church but sometimes is seems as though Satan was and still is in some ways.

have u noticed theres a lot of anti-christian propaganda lately? why is that?

Perhaps more people these days are beginning to learn of the things hidden by the Church and begin to rebel (for lack of a better word) against it a little.

i doubt it, the church has been splitting up into smaller waring bits for the last 10 centuries and it doesn't seem logical that non catholic churches and governments would willingly burn Catholics to discourage the religion but wouldn't role out information that would utterly discredit them.

Its just not logical.