The only official religion of Vampires. Dont be fooled. Its not about blood drinking and capes. Its about what they class as true Vampires.

It has ties with the Church of Satan (Some members of the CoS were the founders.)

The main diffrences of the CoS and ToV are;

Satanism is about individuality and Living life to the full untill you die. That you are the highest rank of human life.

The ToV is about the family of Vampires that they will live thier life to the full... And it will not end. They are higher than human.

I know not much else as you need to purchase the Vampire bible to do so realy. I realy want a copy but I cant afford it yet.

But I thought id post this for all that are interested.

So click HERE... What are you waiting for?

My main problem with the TOV is the fact you have to pay. I therfore do not class it as a religion. I would class it as an utter con created by some imaginative individuals.

I could start up a Vampire Religion tomorrow and it wouldn't necessarily make it real. Ever heard of the phrase 'Money for old rope'?

The only reason its 'real' is because its copyrighted and registerd. No other religion that is about Vampires has done so.

And as for the member thing. I think it like the Church of Satan... You can be a Satanist without being part of the Church (which you have to pay for) but becoming a member aparently has many priviliges.

I can assume its the same with the ToV.

So...are you thinking of joining then? Might be interesting to hear how it goes.

As far as joining goes you need to be accepted by some sort of comunnion that is only explained in the Vampire Bible.

The prospect of eternal life draws me I must say.

Being a realist I cant quite see how it can be obtained. But we will see. After Christmas if I have enough money I will buy the book...

i really like the idea of a vampire religion but the eternal life part is kind of creepy u just ask urself how thats obtained plus is there any way u can die if it works in case immortality sux or are u stuk with it never dying

but if u get the bible thing it would be kool to no wat its like

I think its eternal old age... Never dying of natural causes... It might not be.

Thats how I would like eternal life. Try everything... When life gets boring... Top yourself...

Makes you wonder what Highlander did all his life...

What if they mean eternal life in the same sense as a lot of modern vampires...reincarnation? The soul, the essence of you, is immortal, and lives on, while your body, the outer shell, is cast aside and recreated with each cycle.

I dont know... Why dont you ask them?

Wouldn't I have to join up and buy the book for that?

No. They have a temple message board (forum). Its still got the idiots that dont truly grasp it and claim to do so...

Its people like that which are gonna go round drinking blood or killing people in the name of the temple...

(off topic slightly)

What do you think is worse? An inverted Christian or a Satanist?

I still think it's bollox, and that you should avoid them. What proof do they offer of eternal life? Or do you have to pay for that too...

I would love to order their bible and read about their beliefs.....Hell, I might even join. However, if you order a bible they automaticaly consider you a member. I don't want to join ANY group without first knowing what it is I am joining......

Just My $ 2.00 worth.....

i agree with nightvision completely.

I have in fact gotten in contact with a so called member of this religion. I came across her on another board, and began talking to her... she seems quite blind.... rather... like a blind person pretending to see. She claims to be immortal, but is very vague on EVERYTHING. she will not reveal many of her beliefs or reasonings for anything she sais. I have to buy the fuckin book before im allowed to know anything apparently.... pffft. I've pretty much stopped talking to her, she makes me dumber just reading her emails.

wonder if its just this one particular member... heh... i think its all a crack o bullocks though.

I applied to them a while back just to see what the whole fuss was about. Basically there are two ways to become a member. First, pass the interview and be available for "classes" every so many days each week. Second, buy their bible. Basically it's a cult, a very non selective one at that.

And so you all know without asking.....I passed the interview but was turned down when they found out I only had 10 hours a month online (at that time). And no nothing I said was based on the interview but was instead based on reading the site and others affiliated with it.

And that right there tells me it is not a religion, it's a business. - and one that thrives on the gullible.

Are there any copyrighted Religions other than this one? Is there a trademark on crucifixes?

PLEASE be careful with this one.

I believe that the Temple of the Vampire, although asking for money, is a genuine religion dedicated to the restoration of the Vampire Family and the worship of the Undead Gods.

I ask that you all don't discriminate carelessly with this topic. It could offend some people. I also suggest that you read the Vampire Bible first before you come to any sound conclusions about the aims of this Temple.

But why do they need money?

Isn't it dangerous to offer immortality? Some idiot is always going to attempt to test the theory?

Why isn't it taking the world by storm?

Why are there so many hidden aspects?

'Discriminate with care'

Your attitude leads me to think that you are a member... Pardon me if im wrong.


I want to read the book very much but I dont think I will join.

Worship is realy not my thing.

I always discriminate with care. :lol:

When it comes to religion, I have noticed that no matter what the aim of that particular one, people question it in a way that is not offensive to the people that choose to believe in it. The Temple should receive the same.

The money aspect is no different from every other religion on the planet. All religions ask for some type of payment, whether it be a donation or an outright payment. Everything, including religion, needs money to run. The Churches need to be repaired sometimes, and they need money to do this, obviously. Why should the Temple be any different?

The Temple is there for a great purpose to those who believe in it. Everyone is free to follow their teachings.

The hidden aspects of the Temple are there for a good reason, but I am not at liberty to tell you something that you can find out for yourself by reading the Bible that you can order from their website.

Unlike some people who will read the Bible and put the information they find out on this website, I will not disobey the laws of the Temple, regardless of whether I am a member or not.

And to answer your question, no I am not a member. But I respect the views of this Temple as I do every other religion.

I have stated my opinion - it was not my intention to offend and am sorry if i have. As long as you're getting your money's worth then of course I don't have a problem it's your choice...

BUT

Which other world religions demand a mandatory payment before allowing you to become a believer??? As far as I know those payments or collections are voluntary.

Nah. I'm sorry. It just doesn't sit right with me at all, although I accept that it is a valid subject for debate. I would just worry that 'answers for money' is not a healthy way to conduct a 'religion' which I suspect is largely composed of the young and naive.

It's a cult, not a religion. A Cult uses religion for it's inspiration, not the other way round.

They fit the profile of a cult, that's for sure. But everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, even cultists. Everyone is free to either accept or ignore their deal - if you want to become a "true Vampire" and made "immortal" by the "Undead Gods", purchase their Bible.
I, for one, choose to ignore it.

Haven't read through all the posts, but you are wrong. There is another relligion and another temple: The Temple of Eternal Night.
I have joined the Temple three years ago and they welcome all vampires. Psi and Sang, teach humans how to evolve to the higher state and the believe in the Dragon, the true God and his son Caine, the Messiah.
My oppinion: bullshit. I took the best of it and learned all I could about vampires. I became a psi, awakening really, and these three years have taught me more than I could have ever imagine. True it is that as we grow in age, our powers evolve too. Lately I discovered that I can project feelings, as the psi is very much related to the empath, as well as project my own imagine into another's mind, powers I never thought possible two-three years ago.

Website: www.toen.org

I have actually done some research and spoken with some of TOV's members. All it appears to be is Satanism with a bloodlusting twist. It is pretty much a scam and gimmick. The two members I used to chat with only got an email newsletter and a lot of requests to buy more things to get higher in rank there, like I said, total scam in my opinion.

Well it's a good thing that I'm not a member than. But I will say this. Although the money thing may be a scam, the things that they teach are somewhat believable. But it's up to everyone else to see what they think about it.

to each his own i say. there's TONS of logic in the Satanic Bible, in my opinion, that's why i believe some people would consider being a member.

i didn't ridicule the members i spoke to, and i won't ridicule anyone who finds them interesting or joins them, its just not my style. :24:

I would. I've seen many such organisations in the past years and as bloodsoakedrazer said: it's a scam; satanists with a different view. I wouldn't join them if it would kill me... which I really don't think is possible.

I visited the website you listed for The Temple, and it was quite interesting. One thing I noticed was that the religion was not made official until 1989, so it doesn't seem to have any historic background. Also, the fact that this is the only site that mentions The Temple isn't comforting. The rules of The Temple stated that you are not allowed to feed on blood, and if you do, your membership is cancelled.

I found all of these things very interesting, and in my opinion, it is far from what most of us are probably looking for. It seems that whoever it is that runs The Temple sees themselves as God, and feels he/she is endowed to judge others. I don't like the general idea very much myself, it seems like one day some egotistical people with a superiority complex wanted to create a religion. I'm sure that it is based on something more than what these people may have made up, but I don't think that it is exactly what they claim it to be.

It was very interesting to read, I may even be curious enough to purchase the Vampire Bible, but I don't think that this is something that I am going to follow and worship. How about the rest of you?

I'm busy starting up my own...

lol just kidding...

OR AM I?????

"The only official religion"? Whats that supposed to mean? Vampires can only be satanists? Whats wrong with a christian vampire? OR a muslim vampire? Budhhist, atheist, Methodist, Baptist, whatever, religion has nothing to do with being a vam;pire.

Dear friends,

I would like to make some realistic points on the ToV, which I believe are objective as possible, myself being a former member...

1) The TOV is a front for Hekmel Tiamat, the "Temple of the Vampire Dragon" and believes themselves to be the only lagitimate vampire religion. I disagree as their "Undead Gods", which in my Family are simply disembodied astral vamps. Which we call Strigoi Morte (disembodied vampyres) as opposed to Strigoi Vii (living vampyres incarnated in flesh). From our perspective the TOV's Undead Gods are simply one faction of astral vamps. We of the Strigoi Vii believe in reincarnation and a cycle of life and death in which the higher self experiences, that our souls are immortal. The TOV does not believe in reincarnation.

2) The TOV charges as a screening process to clean out the riffraff and show a dedication of their membership. It also keeps out the problemed people. I honestly see no problem with an organization charging money to cover their costs. However they should offer more for their services in my opinion. Hey like an annual gathering.

3) The TOV says their "daysides" are Satanism and their nightside is "more". However it is funny that Magister Nemo (one of the heads of the TOV) who is a member of the COS and a possible member of their Council of Nine decided to get the TOV and COS relationship more solidified after LeVay died. When LeVay specifically stated he did not like PsiVamps!

4) Temple law states that you cannot be a member even if you are on another group's website. People have been excommunicated for this.

So all in all, minus a few good points, they are fundimentalist vamps and refuse to allow people to expand beyond their limited paradigm. Very much like Satanism.

More to come....

Eternally,
Girotto Mithu

If you cant be botherd to read all the posts before you contribute, dont bother asking questions.



Wha?

thank you for your input, i never go too much from the members i spoke to, they were worried someone might find out or that i was someone from ToV trying to 'test' them or something, i dunno but i didnt get nearly that much info.

I guess this is just another way for people to go about their vampirism.
Nothing concrete,though the Vampiric Bible did pique my curiousity.

*coughEVILCULTcough*

Thats the sort of immature comment I would expect from a 13 year old. Have you read up on the ToV? And what has NightVisions comment got to do with ToV being an 'evil cult'?

Go and take such pointless comments away from serious threads.

umm yea i kinda agree with BlutEngel on this one...that isn't one of those things u really wanna just blurt out like that, and if it is like somethin like that u state how aboubt putting some thought behind it and your opinion y it is like that so that ur not considered a quote"a 13 year old"end quote by others

I agree with Harlem, it sounds like a money scam to me.

It's just about money, and control. It's simple enough to understand, an organisation like this, you pay them and they consider making you a 'true' member. They give you a 'bible' (a Christian term for a holy book) and a set of rules to abide by. Fair enough that you may find the book enlightening, or at the least part interesting. They see themselves higher than human. Like they're not human? It's a damn con.

Quite true. It seems like something you'd see on late nite TV (no pun intended) right after the Ronco rotisserie...come ON!!! Immortality for three easy payments of 100 dollars, we'll even send you our holy book free! What a deal *followed by fake testimonies* Oh wow... look how many lives we changed...WE MADE THEM POOR VICTIMS OF A CON!!! Here's the number at the bottom of your screen 1-800-BUL-LSHI. Oh and don't worry, we'll be playing all night until you order just to shut us up...and even then we'll burn a whole in your pockets with our other scams such as "Grow a second penis for DOUBLE THE PLEASURE" and "Use the new A-Bomb hairdryer to dry your hair in seconds!" Have a great existence, fickle mortals...

"And if you pay with your credit card in the next 10 minutes, we'll show you how to grow a THIRD penis absolutley free - yes, thats right, ABSOLUTLEY free, that's THRICE THE FUN!"

It's too bad people are so gullible these days.

OH AND DID WE MENTION THAT WE WILL SELL YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER TO POOR CUBANS SO DON'T WONDER WHY EIGHTY THOUSAND CIGARS TURN UP ON YOUR CREDIT BILL!!! I'm exhausted by your stupidity.

A lot of self proclaimed "Vampires" think themselves as the higher race sounds to me more like a off type of Neo Nazi but thats just me, Temple of the Vampire is most likely just a scam to get money, hell people will prey on anything these days such as fake releaf hotlines for the Tsunamis or 9/11 sick isn't it?

I should contact Claudia

well it does sound like a scam but i am a skeptic. the ToV sounds like, in my books, all the other 'religions'. a SCAM. i am an atheist and i think dumb-asses are the only people who could possibly believe in god (im friends with some so i know).

ok away from the flames.

the TOEN sounded interesting and i may try to find more info on it. it sounds like it actually works. i wouldnt think of joining unless there is something, more.


ok to conclude. a scam doesnt have to be for money. it can be for your trust and belief as well. also why do we care what others do with their money??

As I have stated before, I dont think you have to become and active member to become a 'vampire'. They believe that they are allready so and that their aim is to reunite lost members of their order...

Yeh they are asking alot of money, yeh immortality sounds far beyond the reach of man to me. But the philosophies might be intresting... Im going to buy their bible sometime... I might let you know what its like when I do.

Depends how many more people spam in the threads I create that are for serious discussion.

i must admit it does sound like a scheme ... like those emails you get from billionaire nigerians who you need to pay thousands of dollars to so you can get their millions. but hey, anyone who's stupid enough to do it deserves have their cash stripped from them.

I think it's fair that since most of us have never looked into the TOV in any depth we ought to be a bit more restrained in our judgements...I hope people do come back to this thread with more info.

But cash for a cult? Not for me thanks.

I have a good friend, one whom I respect in very many ways, who is an advanced member of the ToV. Based on our conversations, I contacted the Temple, got my "lifetime membership," secured a copy of The Vampire Bible, and read the extremely thin and exquisitely over-priced volume from cover to cover.

My personal impression, based on this experience, is that the ToV is a rather inventive post-modern "religious/philosophical" creation that is partially original and partially derivative of older but quite unrelated "mystical" traditions. But that's the most positive remark I can make based on my own investigation.

In my opinion, the ToV seems to be founded on two critical premises that have nourished "occult organisations" since the beginning of time. The first is obligatory self-deception disguised as "revelation" and self-induced experiences which are to be interpreted by believers as affirmations that the deception they have embraced is actually truth. The second is a methodology of gradually "unveiling deeper and greater secrets to initiates" (with accompanying payment) which I politely term "progressive induction through evolving misdirection." I could add a third, perhaps, which might be expressed as "talking out of both sides of one's mouth at the same time." This objection would present itself when it comes to the Temple motto of "Test Everything, Believe Nothing." This sensible sounding advice apparently does not apply to testing the assumptions of the Temple itself and finding them derivative or products of syncretistic jerry-rigging, or to withholding belief as to the validity of the Temple's claims and fundamental premises which ("testing" notwithstanding) must ultimately be accepted as articles of faith. Discussions as to the Temple's so-called "insistence" on testing and skepticism seem to become futile exercises in casuistry and sophistries on the part of supporters of the doctrines when it is the Temple's own teachings that are being critically examined.

Although I have been assured that "the deeper you go, the more you will understand about how true the Temple's teachings are," I don't really believe that this sort of on-going mental fellation is beneficial to any except those who are psychologically programmed to replace Reality with a subjectively appealing fantasy. Cosmic truth regarding "immortality" (if there is such a thing) doesn't need to advertise, charge membership fees, and thunder threats of annihilation "if you aren't one of us" or promises of everlasting existence if you pay the Pied Piper and skip merrily along behind him into whatever mountainside he has decided is the gateway to "paradise." If Cosmic Truth and the possibility of immortality exist, they must certainly be above such purely human merchandising and cultic propaganda. (If they are not, then to paraphrase another friend, they are no different than the fulminations of an imaginary Middle Eastern war-god who is obsessed with the sexual habits of hairless, mutant chimpanzees.)

I apologise for the length of this first post. I also apologise if I have offended any members or supporters of the ToV with my admittedly personal opinions regarding that organisation. Others may investigate the Temple and discover that its principles and promises are precisely what they are looking for. As a Satanist, I personally find the ToV to be a wishful exercise in philosophical, metaphysical and logical masturbation which fails to capture (let alone hold) either my interest or my respect; others, however, may find it to be the answer to their prayers. In such matters, as in most similar situations, it boils down to a case of "To each his own."