I wanted to bring up this subject, becuase not very many people that i have come across know about Astral Vampires. So, here's a general description, first off. Anything on the Astral Realm, is energy, and therefor, must feed from energy to keep its form alive. Thus, every spirit is like a Psi. Now, the spirit of a vampire, either caught in between incarnations, or held on to life very dearly, will be stuck on the astral realm. A spirit of a vampire, with a hunger beyond imagination, pretty dangerous. Now, even more dangerous, is the fact that otherside entities are attracted to vampires enough as it is. I have had an encounter with one once, they are quite powerful when it comes to manifesting physically. Doors openning and banging shut, lights going on and off, strange howls, and screeches. And as far as psychic battle goes with them, pointless. It just pisses them off. I tried to fight it off, didn't do to well, and it left just to take me by surprise, and drain me on my way into my house a few nights later. I was out like a light, laying in the snow. I would love to hear any other experiences anyone has to share, or any methods of fighting them off. But the main reason i posted, was just to aware my fellow kin of the danger.

From what i have read, I have found that an Astral Vampire is merely the energy body of a Psy Vampire who has biologically died. What I understand happens is that if a Psy Vampire becomes strong enough in biological life, and stores enough energy, when the biological host dies, the actual vampire continues to live on. The problem with this however, is the fact that there are very few Astral Vampires who actually appear to have some sort of consiousness. Most Astral Vampires seem to be focused on one thing, feeding. This might be explained by saying that the Psy Vampire's biological death is so traumatizing that it destroys its conciousness. As for destroying it, the only way i was aware of was by feeding on it until it does not have enough energy to hold itself together. This obviously must be done while grounded, or else you might hurt yourself.

one whom has masterd astral travel can in theory vamp from there also

I'm curious as to what is differant between these and the manifestations of regular ghosts? My best friend, now fiance, is currently living in a house that has been extremely haunted lately. I've seen 2 fairly differant spirits in her, one much stronger than the other. They appeared to me as purple energies moving about independantly within her aura. One I drew out fairly easilly. Shortly after that one manifested itself in what appeared to my fiance as my shadow moving 90 degrees and such (which happened after I stopped seeing it down where I was looking) where as I saw it as a large dark purple energy vaugly shaped like a person. The other spirit in her tugged much harder against my hand when I tried to draw it out, and when I had a lock on it the area of the extracted part was much larger (encompassing my entire hand whereas the first was a stream the width of a finger). Eventually my fiance tried asking her (deceased) mom to help me figure out how to remove it. My energy became very high and I felt an aditional high posative energy around it. I also heard "I'm here my child" in my head when I started and "I have done all I can my child" when I was done but kept looking.

My questions are could that 2nd spirit in her have been an astral vampire, prior to dissapating it does that make a differance, and after dissipating it does it matter?

I do not feel the 2nd spirit was a vamp
also the disipation most likely displaced it from her
there by it most likely will not return unless she lets it

My friends are we saying that we are no longer the top of the food chain.......................All this talk makes me belive that some of you are ........dare I say it.......scared? This does not seem capable .........we are and always have been at the top of the food chain ......no matter what level the prey comes from..................we talk of "energy from the other side" ...... Do we not feed of energy ....of any kind, makes no differance where it comes from........all that matters is where it goes..............

were do you get that we are scared of anything.
what food chain
only fools classify us with animals
and if thats the case. only the strong survive in that kind of world
yet the fox is wise though not strong. yet the fox survives.
if one does not master its suroundings as the fox. one will fall prey to the simplest things.
one must master there psi vamping lest it masters them
and others then easly takes it from them
no longer will you be the master of your self but a slave to another

Nicely said...

Anything is dangerous unless you know how to protect yourself...I'd believe a precaution as simple as a strong shield would be more than sufficient to avoid any attacks...

And astral vampires...though I'm not to completely blow it off, since I've yet to find an inventory for the astral planes...*winks*. But it does sound very subjective to me. Obn the astral plane you can more or less choose your own form, and many use it to assume the form the victim would be the most frightened by...a simple and well-used tactic, fear is a powerful weapon.

The fact that you got traced however...didn't sound good. I'd recommend an aural cleansing as fast as possible, because chances are very good this creaturethingy has a link to you, and while that link remains intact, no amount of shielding or warding will keep him out, he already has the key to the back door.

Sheilding won't protect an empathic vamp who looks into the eyes of a possesed person if that spirit wants to move to them.
Also sheilding doesn't help you detect hunters who are immune to danger sense and empathy other than direct eye contact (don't know about any psi other means cause I don't have them but I wouldn't be surprized). Good vision/peripheral vision somehow isn't enough to even know anyone passed you when a hunter passes you (vamps at least).

Alright few replies here, number one, Clear witch, as i said, psychic battle with these things, no good. What good does it do to form youre energy into a sheild, when energy is what it feeds on anyways? They are extremely powerful, i tried to battle one off, did no good, it drained back what i took, and left for a few nights. After that, i was walking towards my house, when it returned. I slept in the snow for 7 hours. And yes, i know of links, but through my visions during the time i spent unconcious, it was telling me somthing, that i've kept private and and will continue to do so.

Now, as far as difference in ghosts, well there's a much bigger population on the astral realm, than the physical. What does the physical have, humans, vampires, beavers, leapords, snakes ect. Astral, well dead people, dragons, angels, demons, fairies, gnomes, wraiths, ect. When you are visited by these astral beings, step one, identify what it is, step two, see if it wants to harm you, or is merely curious. As emotions flow on energy, you can use that to communicate with them.

Do you even know what a shield is..? It's like warding an area, you create a barrier around you that they can't get through. It is created of energy, yes, like any other magical ward, but it's not fleeting, available energy. The energy is locked, sealed, and it blocks attacks. The more time and effort you put into your shield, the stronger your 'fort' will be. Like any other fort they will be able to tap into the shield in timer, but it gives you time to defend yourself. Traps and mental weapons built into the shield will make it even more difficult to get through. It's basic strategy, really. But as long as you remain wide open and unprotected on the astral, you'll be like a limp rabbit, an easy prey ready to be picked...you might as well put a flashing neon sign over your head saying 'come eat me'.

The link can be breaked, and it should be, before even attempting to create a shield, or your efforts will be useless...

As for the beings on the astral, I'm weell aware of what is to be found up there...and from the sound of your post, it seems I have more experience on how to deal with them too...no need to lecture me here. As with anything else in life, it helps a whole lot to know what you are doing and always be prepared...boy scouts of the world knows what they are talking about.

Shielding will stop spirits, yes. They're not merely for show, and as long as you make sure the shield covers all of you, including your eyes (mirrors of the soul...that's what you're getting at, right?) they won't get in right away. How long your shield alone will be able to fend them off, depends on the quality and strangth of the shield, not to mention what other surprises you've got stored in there.

And shielding can help you detect attacks, remember, this is only your imagination setting limits. Install an alarm, dammit...simple as that. Or a homing device, radar, anything you fancy. It's your mind, and your shield.

*shakes his head* No offense, but reading youre reply was a waste of time for me. Don't underestimate me. Now, Let's create a pretend egregore. Let's see, we'll make him a hunter/stalker, oh, and give him a hunger the size of a black hole. K, now lets remember he's on the plane of no time or distance. Let's see, what else can we give it, oh how about the warfare skills of a Demon, nah, let's make that Satan, if Satan exsists (did not say that to bring up in this thread) hmmmmmmm, what else can we give it. How about a sheild for it to eat? Energy=Energy, wether sheild or not, its still energy, manipulated yes, but do you think changing a beam of light from white to purple will stop a black hole from pulling it in?

What would you rather have him eat, your shield or you? A shield is like a fort, as I said, created to protect. But even a fort could fall. The point of building it is to buy time, enough time to strike back, or flee. Now you are more than welcome to go face that creature bare-armed and vulnerable, but I wouldn't recommend it. Would you go into battle without armour? Yet the armour in itself rarely kills, does it?

I'd advice you to start reading up on shields before you completely blow it off, you might be surprised what it can be used for to those that has the skills...

but you have forgoten that its your fear of him that givs him his sweetest power you can never concer him/it you dont have the power.

and fore a shilde is only as good as the person wilding it. so it can stop it fore it depends on what type of energy he feads on and if it feads on all typs the have a shild that steals energy from it.


and a black hole is a sigularuity a point in space that eats all mater and no light can esxape. but it allso a sorese of unlimitid energy p.g.a the gravaty prodused.

one laste ting you play in the big leags know what is out ther fore at the moment it looks like you have no consept of what you are geting into. dont do the fatal mistake of going up agenst somting you dont understand.

good luck to you.

fore i can see a hunt in the future is you dont lurn to defend your self.

Its been a few days since I have been here but to my surprise this is still going on................... Let me first say that the conversation level is incrediable, but Night Eagle do you not belive that we vamps are at the top of the "food chain" and if you do then what on this earth do we have to be afriad of? We are able to "feed" on anything that we chose (the way we feed may be different from one another) and we all feed, so what is to say that we could not feed on this ?!.

I do not wish to upset anyone this is just my thought and I belive that I can feed on what ever I wish therefore I could feed on this, and whatever I can feed on does not scare me that is where I dry the conclusion that some were scared.

Lets continue..........................

<_< Once again... I am spoken of as though I know nothing, last time i'm saying this, QUIT UNDERESTIMATING MY KNOWLEDGE! I already know all about sheilds, and I use them often for many different purposes. What i was saying, is trying to battle these things is nearly impossible, you can sheild all you want, but in about 3 seconds, if you encounter one as powerful as i did, you're sheild will be gone. Another 10 seconds, and so will a dangerously large portion of you're energy be gone also.

Fear. I already know how to control my fear, and i did not fear this thing the least bit. I have truly honestly been afraid 3 times in my life. I don't fear much. Fear is the best energy you can get. To feed on it, well, its really fukin powerful, nuf said. And i'm not stupid enough to give this thing a meal it will never forget, and let it keep coming back for more. As a matter of fact, that's why most ghost's are scary to people, because they will try to frighten people to feed on that fear, as this one did on the first night i encountered it.

Another thing, about what you said Myth, i am going into the big leagues not knowing what i'm getting myself into....Bullshit, you don't know that, I mean hell, i put up a post to warn my fellow psi about a dangerous astral entity that i encountered, and to see what other's input on them was, and what i get is people telling me i don't know shit basically? Just becuase every damn thing that i know isn't posted on this thread, does not mean that i don't know it. I know what i'm getting into, i know what i dealt with, and i dealt with it effectivley. Simple as that.

i did not mean to ofend. but from your warning ther is noting on what you can do to defend your self and you put down others ho have an ide on how thats not the sign of a knowlage.

you nead to eksamin all aspekts of a problem. not saing its only one way. ther are to many was to solwe a problem if you are having problems look to others.

Feeder of Life.. I know you know what you are doing, but I offer a suggestion.. A mirror shield, if it feeds off of energy, if you are in the right state of mind a mirror shield just might reflect the deeds of your un-invited guests on to the entitie's self.. I know your good at what you do, you already prooved that to me, now good luck.

I would answer you but why.
why am I listed
you need to reread my posting
also food chains according to humans/vampires
all feel they aon the top
yet a mountain lion can still kill one
only the intellegent ones with comon sence will find themselves on the top
for the fools are eat

I have yet to meet a dreaded hunter.
you smoke how much crack each day
just like in the world of vampiric delution
you will also find a world of delutional hunters
yet within this static reality there has yet to my knowledge or exsperience been a true hunter around my area that I have yet to meet

Hmm, speaking of the Astral Planes:
Is it possible to enter a sort of dream-plane? Not your own dream, but rather someone elses?
I have heard that when we dream we tend to have our astral bodies slip into another plane. This would explain why we have so many dreams a night, each lasting only about a minute in the Material Plane. The astral planes are of warped time- thus explaining the existence of dreams. But, anyways, here is my question again: Is it possible to enter a dream-plane? If so, how? If not, I would at least like to know how to get to another plane besides fire, air, earth, water or spirit/aether (a favorite of mine). Thanks for your time- I tend not to post here very often, mind emailing me?

imsephiroth2002@yahoo.com

People have alot to learn still...

Yep...

dreams is when the mind proses the information its has colekted during the day. and in the dream proses you plase new exsperienses wid the old ones. but ther can be memorys of past lifes ther to.

time is erelevent sins in your dreams or in your sleep you can exsperiens an intyer life time in one minute.

Hey great topic feeder of life :)

ok you asked about how to fight with such things... i think it is possible, and ya, i know how rough they can be cuz i've had nearly the same experience that you did.

The only differece was that mine was not content to try draining, come back in a few days and drain me, and leave... mine was a bit more agressive so learning to deal with it wasnt optional. it fed on me every waking minute for 7 days straight. If i stopped pulling in fresh energy or fighting against the feed pull for more than a minute i got very dizzy. For some reason it left me alone when i went to sleep, if it hadn't then i dont know how badly i might have been affected.

and he's right, they CAN suck your energy right off the surface of your shield. additionally they can slip through your shield and drain you with your shield up. living psi vamps can too. shielding is giving instructions to energy. you tell it to take a certain shape and be hard and stay put... well the attacker tells that same energy something different, and pretty soon its no longer about shielding, it breaks down to a tug of war for control over your shield energy (which hopefully was from an external source). basically this just puts the energy battle a little further outside your core, but it doesnt give you any kind of a rest. there are some more advanced shielding ideas which work better though.

and feeder of life is right... at first it feels like you're a lil poodle trying not to be crushed in the jaws of an alligator, but thats just a first impression. its part of their technique to make an impressive imediate show of force, so you give up hope. The longer you 'hang in there' the less overwhelming it gets. they wear down some, and you begin to learn techniques that work against it.

In order to detail everything that i tried, and everything that did work, and everything that did not work that week, i would have to write about a 50 page essay. I'm working on a website which will detail some of what i learned. its not finished enough to post though.

But you CAN fight back. and you CAN win. Don't ever stop believing that or you're done, and besides, its true. I will give you a few tips, just a light sampling of ideas which might give you enough of an advantage to have better luck next time...
- be savage. don't think in terms of winning, or relative ability, or even in terms of your own safety. just think in terms of hurting your attacker, badly. the constant draining tends to sap your will and resolve too, dont let it, stay mad at your oponent. and whenever you try a new idea, assume that it will work. have a 'can do' attitude. if it doesnt work you'll find out quickly enough, but dont sabotage yourself with self doubt.
- don't try to fight it at the physical level, fight it on the astral. as a psi vamp yourself you are stronger on the astral as well, dont let it have the advantage by it being on the astral while you are on the sofa.
- And when you make a shield, try to think of what sorts of energy types would be most unpleasant to feed on. like say... sunlight? you know that warm drilling headache causing burning anoying bright stuff? try to match that wavelength in the energy of your shield, it makes it a bit less tasty to most vamps. thats just one possible example.
- randomly change the color of your aura in rapid succession, this makes it hard for the feeder to 'get a lock' on your energy.
- move around a lot, astrally. this has a similar effect to shifting your aural color.
- alternate back and forth between feeding back on it, and hitting it with massive blasts of dammaging energy (prefferably drawn from external sources, dont deplete yourself). send the blasts up the link where you are fighting back and forth for energy, it will suck up your blast before it realises to block.
- remember that diverting a force off to the side is much much easier than meeting a force head on with brute force. think of blocking in the sense of martial arts, where the blow is pushed asside rather than directly apposed. this works with energy as well.
Anyways, you get the idea. I need to finish the site and post it to you.

Actually the whole thing was such a massive learning experience for me that i really wish it would happen again. I learned as much about energy manipulation in that week than i have in my whole life i think. And i would welcome the chance to go through it again and hopefully learn more.

so if you you, feeder of life, or anyone else, ever runs into this sort of agressive astral vamp, please see if you cant get them to pay me a visit :) maybe it sounds crazy, but i like to learn more than i like to be comfortable. I realise that another astral vamp might be more or less powerfull than the one i have experience with, but i've grown a lot in energy skills since then too, so i'd hope for something a bit more challenging than the last one. in order to learn the most of course.

incidently there are other critters which might cross over and bother you as well... nightmares for one. they figure they can pick on you with impunity since they do it while you sleep. they deliberately inspire fear in the victim (sleeper) and let that fear manifest in their dreams, it tends to rise into a pannic, and then the nightmare scoops up all the massive amounts of fear energy you shed while you toss and turn. its not very pleasant. when you wake up from a nightmare, take a very thorough look around you with your 3rd eye (including and especially behind the wall near the head of your bed). and if you find something trying not to be noticed... scare it off, or squash it. they have little power, when you are awake they are at a grave dissadvantage.

there is a lot of things in the astral yes. but very few of them will want to tangle with you, or any other psi vamp, once you get more profficient at psychic combat.
of course the only way to really get profficient is... well, fighting. Learning techniques and theory ahead of time can make you learn much faster once you are fighting, but you still gotta get a feel for it first hand...
Like i said, if you meet any astral vamps send them this way please :)

~ Kath

So instead of making little testy remarks why not educate them?





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