I always wonderd who was the first man that talked about these cretures,who was the first that invented the legends and myths about them....how did it all begin?

Some people believe that the first vampire was Cain who slayed his brother so God cast him out and cursed him so he could no longer stand the light of day and lived on gods creatures. it's a really short explanation but I'm sure there is someone here that knows more and has better details.

I always thought that vampires evolved from stories of Vlad the Impaler and Elizabeth Bathory,
somehow combining the two into the first mythological vampire...

Every culture has vampire myths. The first indication we have of vampires in literature is in Sumeria, with the lilitu, long-haired night-flying demons who sucked the blood of small children. But even tribal cultures with oral traditions (like the Aborigines or the Amazonian tribes) have vampire myths. It seems endemic among humans. :)

I'd suggest you check out my "From Sumeria to Lestat" post in Lore, that should give you an idea. :)

One could argue forever on that topic! Because every culture has a vampiric myth, but I think the Catholic Church faned the flames and fed the fire with their threats of discommunication, which was told as a way to become a vampire.

Well acordding to caholic myth. Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and i think April? Well anyways, Adam and Eve favored April and Cain got jealous, so Cain killed April.

After this, god found out what he had done and cast him out of the garden and cused him to the darkness of night, and the sin of killing to survive.

He then figured he could create more vmapires. He created a legion and broke back into the garden, feeding off of Gods animals, and thats how unicorns became extint. The End

You're absolutely right; dying while excommunicate was one way to possibly become a vampire. And the Catholic Church is largely responsible for the aura of terror and superstition that gave fertile ground to vampire myths already extant. :) Bravo!

I think all the legends about Cain being the first vampire have one source: Vampire the Masquerade. I simply don't see any scholarly evidence for that myth before VM came out.

Anyone want to list the other ways to become a classical vampire? Like suicide, or violent death?

That would be Abel

One quick question (God, I haven't been here for a while), how did Adam and Eve have two children inside of eden when they were cast out after they had gorged on the forbidden fruit (i.e. sex, you'd be suprised how many people assume they ate an actual piece of fruit). Weren't Adam & Eve out of Eden before Eve could have bore children?

I have made up my own explanation for vampires. I believe that long ago a god named God of the Damned, came down upon earth in ancient Egypt.
He then chose the Pharoah as a prisoner & took him to the nearest temple. Then God of the Damned cursed him with the thirst for blood, & a allergic kind of reaction to sunlight, silver, & garlic. From there the vampire race began. Vampires eventually migrated to all parts of the earth. Where they killed people in thirst for there blood. The english, the most sophisticated culture heard of murders with people torn up, the murderer bathing in there blood, & wrote about these stories in there books. Dracula was about a true story in Transylvania. Of course he was a phony. It was animals possibly snakes that had killed the people they were finding on the mountainside of Dracula's home.

I think it may have been Cain, but there is also the idea of vampires being born of Judas. That he was the first. But to me these are all myths and that in reality vampyres are real, but not immortal of course. Immortality is just a fable for pretty litlle vampires. Check out sanguinarius.org if you are really interested.

Nightlover


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'bat bit satan satans blood in bat bat bite human human become vampire vampire want more satan bloob '
Sorry, for a second there I thought that this discussion was in english, but obviously I was mistaken, I shall take myself elsewhere.

o sorry master english teacher of the world


no offence your cool

ok, im new to this stuff, but im really interested in trying to find out the origin of the vampire. Ive herd so many alternatives, cain being the father, judas being the first, lilith and lucifer spawning demonic vampires. then u got vlad dracul, elizabeth bathory, and gillles de raix,

anybody out there care to shed some light?

Nikolaus

i think all culters have there own understanding of a blood sucking night walker who fill the dream of chilren but vampire was probubly came from some real whether a strang man of a beast that exised it just how we interrait (eg buffy the vampire slayer dracula of and other book or film)

i just found this i had to shorton it a lot but its cool


The word vampire is said to have come from the Slavic word obyri that eventually evolved into the Bulgarian word “vampir.” Shrouded in the mists of time, the origins of the vampire legend are unknown. The belief in “undead” creatures that rise from their coffins at night craving the blood of unsuspecting victims is a world wide one that goes back thousands of years. The vampire legends most familiar are said to have originated in the far East and were transported from places like Tibet, India and China by gypsies to Europe, the Mediterranean, Balkans, through the Carpathian mountains and into such places as Hungary and Transylvania. the creature of the night is able to change at will into a bat or wolf and use his mind to control others. These types of vampires are said to be unable to enter a home without an invitation, killed by such things as wooden stakes and holy water, and repelled by garlic and crosses. In his story, Bram Stoker didn’t mention the belief of placing millet or poppy seeds around the gravesites of suspected vampires to keep them so occupied with the counting of the seeds that they are go out and search for human victims. In Arabia there is the “Algul” legend. It tells of a female demon type vampire that feasts upon dead babies and lives in cemeteries. Scotland has a type of vampire called the “Baobhan-sith” that is in the form of a beautiful maiden who lures its male victims to their deaths and wears dresses in the color, of course, of green. (I had a girlfriend like that wounce) there are literally hundreds of other forms of vampire legends from almost every area in the world. Vampires are said to be unable to cross running water or enter a home uninvited although public buildings are fair game (like old people in a library). The older means of protection were garlic, hawthorn, wood from the rowan tree and the scattering of poppy or some other seeds. This scattering of seeds was supposedly effective because vampires are said to be an obsessive creature that will stop and pick up or count every seed until they would lose interest in their victim or be destroyed as they were caught by the sun’s light. The means to destroy a vampire are numerous. Sunlight is said to cause a fiery death as well as actual cremation.

cheers for that, helpful and interesting

i find it bloody fascinating

Nikolaus

good serch google for it

Doesn't it all depend on what your cultural stance and religious beliefs are to acknowledge who was the first vampire. To think that Cain (/Kain I don't know which) was the first you would have to take the Bible as fact. Like the sumerians (I think it was them) believed in the blood gods, so they would say that they came first. Don't think you can actually win this debate.

And yes I am the english teacher of the world and yes I am cool, oh so very cool. Ok, that last bit was a lie, well the whole thing was a lie really but......shuuuutup.

look i apologise





























wanker

:death: = Evil Fish, so I shall I gut you like one?

i did nt send it it was nt me dont kill me master

Very well Igor, back to your chores.

o thank you o kinkyous slave master><,.()-+1""

Back on topic....tales of vampire like creatures go back before catholicism existed. Now, I personally don't believe in the White Wolf Cain and Abel theory. Egyptian and Babylonian texts make mention of human-like vampire creatures. Interpretation/translations of ancient texts is, at best, always sketchy becuz nuances are lost in translations. Blood drinkers are mentioned in their earliest forms in the Book Of Enoch...and those first drinkers of blood were also cannibals of the flesh...a race of giants that walked the earth who were called Nephilim..the children of matings between Fallen angels and human women.

According to Enoch, God attempted to wipe out all the Nephilim and their spawn with the flood. Ancient texts from around the world all concur on the occurance of the great flood. Some texts, however; hint at the fallen ones saving some of their Nephilim children. These in turn, lived longer than normal life spans and survived to breed again with humans or others of their kin. THIS I believe is the origin of true vampirism. A genetic race of humans mixed with divine blood....a parallel breed of humanoid that evolves and co-exists alongside "normal" humans. The Hollywood vampire is glorified and distorted. Bram and his like are to blame for that.

he called me igor

vampires

nothing everything is gone, so i guess the only way is to move forward
are you scared? the feelings i've got urging for paradise it is like whenever i hear
something it burst out of my body, someday i am going to face the same evil and i dont know what will happen... let's go into the depths of hell we shall survive.

cool hell must be a cool place

:dots: :spam: And they wonder why we ancients here dislike noobs? Can u post anything that isn't spam and maybe has something intellegently topic related?

soory


the first one to talk about them might have been a traviller spreading his tales round eourop