Ok, so this has nothing to do with sex, but it made you look, right?

It's always been my belief that the practise of magick is simply the manipulation of energies to push something in a direction it already had the tendency to go in...to further solidify an act, if you will. In other words, if someone didn't already have a thought in their head to do something, all the spells in the world aren't going to make them do that.

Agree? Disagree?

Is magick something more?

There is "sexual magic". I remember reading something about useing sex as part of a wiccan ritual.

I think that depends on the type of magic. The "lower", basic things requires the one you are influencing to already wish to go in that direction. It's basically enhancing an existing emotion/idea, like turning the volume up. It'll drown out other, conflicting thoughts.

But, there's so much magic that isn't dependant on other people's cooperance. And in those cases it has to work on its own.

I could say more...but it's late, and my mind went fuzzy..so I'll be back stronger later. :)

Just a question at the end here...is there any thought, any idea, you have never had?

I looked because you asked me to. :P
Back on subject, the whole idea of "magic" to me is simply an attempt to explain things normally not explainable, much like religion or faith.
I do believe that it's a process of manipulating energy on a deep level...although it doesn't always have to go with the grain.
I believe it's true that an easily swayed person will be more susceptible to spells....but it's quite easy to manipulate people's thoughts as well. At least for some people.




That's kinda like a catch-22, because once you conceive of an idea...wouldn't it be already in your head? :D

Spells, curses, hexes or whatever you wish to call them don't work on someone who doesn't believe in them.

Not true....if random events occur to make a man crash who was cursed yet did not believe...can you prove it was not the curse? It's impossible...

But can you prove it was?

No...that's exactly the beauty of easily claimed things like magic and the power of prayer etc..

Well you certainly got my attention. LOL Yep, ya made me look.

IMHO

I somewhat argree with you that magic is a manipulation of energy. Do I think it's energy already headed for one direction? (Although that would make things easier) No, I don't. Do I think it requires a will of steal that doesn't bend and a hell of a lot of energy? Yes.

Do I think it should be 'played' with unless you know exactly what you're doing and are willing to accept the concequence of the backlash? (If you get it.) Absolutly not.

Other than my grandmother, my first training came from Gavin frost in my very early teen years. I was greatful to have guidance that came from out side my family. (This is to provide you with some background on my training.)

I've seen to much to deny it's existance and seen enough to know not to play around with it at a whim.

Archangel I somewhat agree when you said "I believe it's true that an easily swayed person will be more susceptible to spells....but it's quite easy to manipulate people's thoughts as well. At least for some people."

As a child we use to do little experiments. Here's two for example:

We'd be in a lineup and pick out the person who wasn't really focused on anything. We'd look at them and in our heads say "look at me, look at me, look at me" They'd look.

Other times if we had a mean waitress (for example) Again we'd look at her and say in our heads "trip, trip, trip" Sure enough she'd trip.

Telepathy? Magic?

My point is that is worked rather easily at those not paying attention. I found they we far more susepable to that subtly then say someone who was concentrating on something really hard. When they were unfocused, their minds were in a much weaker state and they were easily manipulated.

All life in energy and matter. We manipulate it every day with the use of modern conviences.

Clear the sex magic thing was a very interesting topic. (Even though it was a trick) ;)

For me to have sex with someone I am allowing there energy to merge with my own. Thus almost taking in a part of them and they a part of me. I think this is one of the reasons I am ever caucious about being with someone on that level.

On an emotional level, if I sleep with everyone then how does the one who's special to me know how special they are? It's something I can have with them that not everyone has. Make sense?

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. It happened to me almost 10 years ago. Made me believe as a result.
It's more difficult, but not impossible. After all, one can manipulate minds rather easily, making them more susceptible to suggestion.



I'm right with you there.
I'm an extremely sensitive empath, and as a result I'm forced to choose very carefully whom I get intimate with, because I've been taken advantage of many times by those whom I trusted.

How would that have anything to do with being an empath? Quite the contrary, empathism makes it easier to notice when someone is playing you for a fool, their energy gets fuzzy and chaotic. If you're aware, you'll notice quicker than a non-empath, because you have this option to "cheat", in my opinion.

Sanctuary: I actually found it easier to influate someone who was focused on something, I used to play around with mind-control at rock concerts. When they were focused on the stage, and the band, they were less likely to notice me sneaking in the backdoor and nudging them. Their guard was down ad their attentionwas elsewhere, it's like an open gate. Of course, too focused isn't good either, ever tried to work on someonewho's headbanging? ;)

My intention with this question "Just a question at the end here...is there any thought, any idea, you have never had?" was, if I remember my thought process right, going more in the direction of, if you have to nudge an already existing thought...and there is practically no thought that person has never had, even briefly, it's just a matter of finding the right "file".

I'm usually able to screen those of malicious intent rather easily (hence the being careful part) but realistically....you seem to be assuming all empaths are omniscient. We're not. We can be deceived just as easily as the next person...especially when we're in a weakened spiritual and emotional state.

Sickness makes even the strongest vulnerable.

I never said omniescent. But empathy is, after all, the ability to sense other people's emotions. If they are lying, or deceiving, it will be detectable. Easily confused with other emotions such as fear, rage or sadness, sure, but that's merely a question of learning to differensiate them. Practice makes perfect.

Of course, there are exceptions to all rules, and in that case there might be other things you'd want to look at, to avoid falling in the trap again...

So true that focused people are less likly to see you sneak up on them. You'se a crafty gal. ;)

Ok, now this would be an interesting experiment. (the 'headbangin' one) LOL or really freaky.

I love that little line about finding the right file. I think people can relate to that.