~The act of manifesting (Clearly apparent to the sight or understanding; obvious. Evidence of; prove) The state of being manifested. An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something. One of the forms in which someone or something, as a God or an idea, is revealed. The materialized form of a spirit.~

In opinions, how far could this go? Could a spirit (or any entity good or bad) really manifest something in "physical" form besides ectoplasm, cold, dark, and light spots, temp. changes, so on and so forth? I'm more looking for "altering changes" (not taking on different forms-more on a chemestry level) even if not scientifically provable.

Any thoughts? Opinions? :)

temp. changes are possible, as well it is possible to manifest something heavy,
I have manifested psi-balls that had temperature and weight (holding it and steping on a scale made the scale show more weight)

so if I was able to do that I don't see why some spirit wouldn't be able to do it to itself...

first off, it would help if you defined what you meant by ectoplasm.
I will respond further after that.

As far as manifestations go, though, haven't there been documented cases of possession and exorcisms? Wouldn't that count?

Not sure if talking about spontaneous manifestations or bringing forward entities through magic. Some books contain the spells needed to basically unmask Angels and Demons, making them appear. Usually though they exist in harmony with the world. The veil keeps them hidden from regular people. Ghosts are said to have the ability to project enough energy at times to break through the veil on personal will. Otherwise the veil is kept in place by Triscal. This is a very fast moving entity or entities that hide magic from the real world. Bringing us back to chalk diagrams and candles to otherwise block the normal flow of life, where reality is defined and supernatural is unusual.

Mystic Veil

I would say it goes very far, with both the "spirits" and the people here being able to do such things. To me, I believe that there exists a link between another place and this which makes such things possible. When people "go" there from here, they can do things there which also affect things here. When those who are "there" do certain things there, they can also change things "here" because of that link.

But that does not neccesarily mean to me that the effect here has to be something seen as being mysterious and radical without explanation. More often than not I would think it would be something which does not seem all that impossible to us here - perhaps breaking none of our observable scientific "laws" - seemingly just another aspect or instance of our world, nothing out iof the ordinary. The thought that it has to manifest in mysterious ways, to me, is only necessary for us to usually take notice.

That's what I have gathered over the yrs. It's usually obvious in most instances, but there's always that one instance where it makes no sence. Which is why I thought I'd ask some opinions on this topic. I've been searching for a while on something and have yet to figure out how it happened. I know to some degree how it happened, but not entirely. Some say I should let it go. But it's to profound to just let go of. For the most part I have, meaning I'm basicaly over it, but it's the why's and how's that I now want to know...

Ectoplasm...What I meant by that is basically being a form of manifesting. It had to be manifested in order to see it.

I'm looking for unusaul manifestations that haven't been documented in books. If that's even a likelyhood. Sometimes threads such as these bring up different stories that aren't found in paper back.

I'm sure that if these "beings" were powerful enough they would have the powe rot possess people as someone pointed out earlier or move physical things.

I think those count as manifestations.

I'll look it up for ya when I have some spare time. And true, these forums contain alot of information which you can not find penned.

I am thinking that for certain things when you do figure out "why" at that point you will have figured out just about everything in relation to it (which will be a lot). To understand I think we need to know where we will go and where we will be. Maybe that is the whole "why" in itself - how these things have and will change both us and the rest of the world?

I think I know what you mean though. It'd be a lot easier to just let everything go. But I have like a little feeling that makes it sort of impossible to do fully. To me not even learning from it or "absorbing" it would be like having everything be in vain. I have to raise some good out of the negative, that's the way I see it anyway.

If you want to know things specifically - the "how's and why's" - it would seem that you would have better odds sharing things with them that are more specific. But, I don't know if I would hold my breath on it if I were you... sad to say.

Anyway nice to talk to you again, storm. Good luck, I hope someone helps. :)

Holding my breath... lol :) Not...

Thanks for what you wrote. You may have answered what was right in front of me to some degree.

I went to another msg board and probably recieved more info there than here. I figured I would. This board also has good discussions so I thought what do I have to lose. As mush as I'd like to give details, I can't for many reasons. I gave some on the other board, but even then I thought I gave to much out. So I thought I'd just stick with manifestations on this board. Oh well. If not today, someday...One way or another I'm determined to get closer to the answers. I doubt anyone can really help, it's just one of those things I'm going to have to figure out on my own seeing how I've been searching forever on this. lol
It was a negitive thing that happened, and now that I'm turing into a possitive one, mabey I'll finally get somewhere with it.

It's always nice to run into you. You seem to put the spin on the topic that nails it. You have great clarity. :)

I didn't mean to insult this board so much as to say that what you probably have is very complex and I doubt many could relate or understand too much even if it were given. Kind of an honesty thing, you know?

I can understand why someone wouldn't share certain things - boy can I ever. Actually I pretty much do the same thing you do in my own wierd way, its kind of funny. Well, good luck again with your search. It's good to see that you are not letting others discourage you.




Thanks, but even if that were true, I am a *very* confused guy underneath. No question about it. :) I'll leave you alone now.

Complex? Oh, just a little. Okay...A Lot. lol

I still think even though you're confussed, you're not. From all of what I've read from your posts and long ago e-mails, you do have an understanding and the ability to help others see. Trust yourself. :) It will all come together eventually, in time, and when you're ready. Take care passingover. Good luck to you in all your journeys. :)

Kinda like the reported sightings of the Virgin
Mary?

She hardly uses the white, viscous ectoplasm nowdays.
She must think it as out of style.