I believe real vampires are not immortal beings. Who is immortal? There are people who are alergic to silver i have a freind who is so it dosen't mean you are a vampire your just alergic to silver. If you were stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak would you die? Yes anybody would. I think most probable answer to what a real Vampire is, is someone who yearns for blood. You dont need fangs an alergy to sun or silver. This is just what i have come to believe even though i enjoy to hear about the Imortal Vampires.

Well and then there are Energy Vampires

I thought silver allergy was lichens but whatever. Anyway I agree with the fact that anyone stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake would die but that's not the point to it I wish I were immortal and if there are any vampyrs that are accually out there that are bloodsuckers please I beg of you bite the living shit out of me and turn me.

*looks around for clearwitch, NS, Draq, and Creature* heh... this topic still raging on I see... *remembers the good old days*

short and simple, to me vampires = nothing like society assumes them to be... legends, stories, and media are the causes for such blasphemes.

Vampires are a lot simpler and a lot closer than you think.

Hmmmm....do explain unless your talking about Psi Vampyrs then no need to explain

what revamp3d is saying is that people look too hard and look to far - If you forget all the fairytales surrounding vampires you will realise there are more around than you thought.

Thank you Caelen ^.^

Peoples brains start to be programmed from the minute we enter this world... if you grow up thinking hallowe'en is for vampires and mummies etc. then thats what you will grow up believing no matter what anyone else says... We are programmed by our parents, friends, media, school, and 'society'.... And the sad thing about society today, is that there are all these preconceptions about things, and until these 'things' are explained scientifically or what have you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, society will continue to believe what it does, even though it could be sorely mistaken...I'm sure you can think of some examples. Even small things... Like craze diets that are eventually proved to be more unhealthy than anything etc.... Up until the moment people were told the diet is detrimental, they believed with all their brain that this was THE miracle diet, a solution to all their problems.... Thats just a little and rather insignifigant example, but you get the point...Just because society (even world populous) has conceptions about things, and have had these conceptions for centuries etc. (the world is flat?), does not make society riht, just because we don't know all the facts. And in the case of vampires, we DONT KNOW the facts.

These terms such as HLV, and Modern Vampire etc, I almost take in offense when directed at me, because people have taken it upon themselves, to label what I am, and dissmiss it as childishness/insanity. Telling me I'm not a vampire, I'm just some fuct up young adult. THe thing is I don't go around telling them that they are just 'mundanes', 'normals' etc, that have no worth, and don't know what they are talking about. I think it's sad how the general populous works against an unknown... They don't try to understand it (which is NOT always the case) they just know what they've been told their entire lives, and they have this image of vampires, and nothing will change that image, unless one of those sorts of vampires appears, or they are proven to not exist. (impossible or thereabouts)

But this is all just what I've observed, and my two cents : P Not trying to offend anyone or anything like that so if you believe something has offended you tell me what it is and I'll see if I can clarify a bit : P

Just to give you something to think about though... I'm sure you are all familiar with the Telephone game... where something is said at one end, and comes out the other end sounding nothing like it began..... Now let's take Vampires. Centuries of story telling, centuries of legend, and look at the image of the Vampire today... Now tell me what the image of vampires was centuries ago....Who knows for sure, but I don't think vampires started out in any manner or respect the same, as they are now.


hehe anyways, ill stop yammering on.


Peace be with you

all we know about immortal vampires is what we have read in books or folk lore which over years has been taken away from and added to so many times none of it is reliable. still yet we have no proof either way if they are real or not.
however my feelings are pretty much the same as ReVamp3d..I will even go further and say for some no amount of proof would convince them vamps are real..... wether people believe or not the proof is in the sangs and the psi that are everywhere.
dont get your panties in a bunch I didnt say immortal.

No Problem mate...



This I agree whole heartedly and its one of the reasons i stopped getting to stressed trying to explain it to people- if people wish to listen they will- i cant be bothered trying to preach to someone too closed minded.

cheers to that mate

unfortunately all too many people are closed minded but do not realize it... They are bound by words, meanings, definitions, and preconceptions, and they cant break free, and don't even realize it ^.^ But such is the way of the world, I suppose...

Thats just it- let people believe what they want to believe, we lose nothing and those who are interested for real will ask questions.

Well I didn't read the whole big post but I do believe that there are vampyrs out there immortal or otherwise. I don't know either or.

i totally agree with ReVamp3d

personally, i think that vampires dont really exist, i mean i love all of the myths, and i think they are fascinating, but thats all they are really myths, i mean there isnt a 700 year old vampire living in a haunted old victorian mansion, who sleeps in a coffin by day and hunts people by night, ect, you guys get it. to simplify this i believe that vampires dont exist, only in myth. but again just my opinion.

maybe i should state my opinion better i dont beleive there is a vampire like that. A vampire is a human or a human like being whichever you prefer that has an urge for blood.

::rubs eyes and looks back at ReVamp:: Yes, they are still raging to make their point, but isn't this entire forum based on repitition, which makes it so easy to answer the posts because, they've all already been said, 4 times. Possibly more.

So, what I'm thinking is that I agree Ania Calliostro. And of course, I like ReVamp's idea about if you're stabbed with a wooden steak, anyone's going to die. It's all based on the legend or proof that you have. No one stays alive long enough to see if someone will live forever, they can't keep studying them that long, I mean come on, they die. So, we have long lines of people following around this person, sure, maybe after 120 and no age difference in apprearance, you get a little suspiscious, but still... Still, you can always have your own opinion.

Of course vampires exist! There are energy vampires (psi-vamps, sang vamps, elemental vamps) that are humans with special abilities. You can read about them on the Vampire Church website.

http://www.vampire-church.com/

Look especially at the Lexicon.

Are there immortal 'undead' vampires? I personally haven't met one face to face. But if I do I hope it is a beautiful raven haired lady vamp (like the pic below) who will just make me a snack (1-2 pints) not a full meal (up to the drop before the last drop). Though for that to happen I may have to promise that I will keep her nature and identity secret. Which would "suck" for you guys 'cause then I couldn't tell you about it! haha! But at least * I * would know!

I would be quite scared if that lady walked up to me, I would tell her to go outside a little once we were friends... But thanks! And remember, opinions are meant to be opinions, we keep them, we indulge them, we are curteous about them.

Re: opinions and courtesy. Okay, yes you are right.

What do you mean "I would be quite scared if that lady walked up to me"? Why would you be scared of her? Is it that she might be merciful death to you? ;)

What do you mean "I would tell her to go outside a little once we were friends"?

I don't know if "tell" is the appropiate verb if you only want to be a snack (get a "love bite") and not be a full meal (drop to the ground with only moments of life left in you). I would think she would require the utmost in courtesy and respect and she would have to consider you an unique human if she were to let you live. Perhaps you meant that once you became friends you would ask her to give you a "love bite" and if she said yes you would go outside with her to an isolated spot?

i agree with you... vampires are ..humans only with a lust for blood...ect..and then there are the psi vampires...thats different i think ne one can be a psi vampire with some practice, ne one can drain people of energy.. but i was just wondering if ne one knows about John Haigh.... i think in 1943 he murdderd a guy named donald mc swann.. and the procedded to drink his blood and devour his flesh in sulfuric acid.... and then went after mcswanns family.drank their blood and burned their flesh in sulfuric acid.. i was wondering if thats an actual pattern that mortal blood drinkers usually follow..u know get u and then ur family ect... i dunt really kno im new to this whole concept of vampires but i am entreigued by them...not to the point were i belive i am one...i can accept that i am merly human...yet i would really like to indulge my self with as much knowledge in this topic as possible...im srry if this is in the wrong section..im also new to forums...hehe..
~*~elena

what exactly are energy vampires?[FONT=Arial]

psivamps; vampires who feed on "mental" energy rather than physically drinking blood.

cheers,
m.s.

I would be a little creeped out if a woman who looked that was talking to me, but then I would probably become friends with her because I generally become friends with anyone

She's as pale as snow, I would tell her to go outside and maybe become a little more colorful in her skin tones, or go to a salon, or something, I just think I would like her skin, then think she needed to hide her insides a little better.

Yes, in my case, tell is the appropriate verb, if she tried to bite me I would get cold chills, freak out and probably beat her to the ground on accident.

im pale as snow but then again im allergic to silver and the sun

"im pale as snow but then again im allergic to silver and the sun"
does this mean pixiedust is weird or a vampire?
or just trying 2 attenion grab?

ReVamp3d, maybe you could take this opportunity to explain clearly? I'm a bit new, so I haven't had much of a chance to interact with the Modern Vampires board a lot. I read your posts, above, where you express anger with labels and wish people would just listen. Can I hear a little bit more about what you are, and we can go on from there? I think that would take this thread up excellently.

a real vampire is....... what ever u imagen it to be since no vampires have ever
been captured or seen its not possable to say wat a vampire is
for all humans know we could all be vampires and not even know it
but hey:P remember keep an open mind and an open heart


Seras

vampires are immortal

Ok ok William UR Freaking me out Oo
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i want cinder or witch T.T i need
Protecting AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*runs away from william*

someone previously said they were not, well they are

In a sense, Classical vampires are immortal. HLVs on the other hand are not. They are very much mortal. People have different opinions on the matter. Be openminded about it so you don't get yelled at is the best advice I can give.

I believe that real vampires may live for hundreds or even thousands of years ... only that their aging process is slowed .. and that they eventually die. Just my belief that I am sharing... not meaning to offend or argue... just sharing.

I'd imagine that could get rather annying at the end of life...can you imagine being of old age, with back pains, incontinence, senility, for about a thousand years..?

;)