This is MD,

I am new, as you all can clearly see and so far, the forum has been very interesting. I live in a small country, an island really. And i have been heading a group or "coven" as my members affectionately call it for about two years now..... i, and my members are Vampire lovers, if you could call us that. we meet up regularly to share thoughts and feelings. our discussions ranges from vampire lore to real vampires to books. this is a very specialised group and all of my members are handpicked by myself.

i am writing this to seek help. though i myself love the idea of vampire-ism and being a vampire, some of my members are a bit too ecentric, and as i have seen on this forum, so are some of you. they believe they can become vampires. they have shown disturbing signs and i am extremely worried.

i need help to combat this problem, and i know this sounds weak, but my members are dear to me and i need to solve this problem...

any help would be appreciated...

thank you.





Fair is thy skin, But dark is thy heart, Two bodies, Two worlds, Two Universes apart.

Wow, it's not often we come across someone with a level-headed attitude such as yours.

I imagine you're a bit worried that your members might be playing with the idea of drinking blood, correct?

Well, as the head of your group ( I don't much like the word coven, I'm sorry) what you say should be respected, and if they ain't respecting you, there need to be some hard words.

First of all, you could point out that if they are cutting each other, that's technically an assault, and you don't want to be responsible for their breaking the law. The next thing you could point out is the health risks - and how you don't want to be responsible for that either.

You might also want to focus a discussion on Vampire Killers with them: Rod Ferrell being a good case. Look where his silly ideas on vampirism got him. This might be a good oportunity to sound them all out on how far they are willing to take it.

You seem like a pretty sensible person, and if you are preparing for an in depth debate, your search engine will come in handy in terms of research to back up the points you are making.

Let us know how it goes :)

ps, one thing that tends to make vampire claims crumble: at least around here: is asking for proof of vampiric abilities.

Well, to begin with, you cannot become a vampire; which I'm sure they will one day realize. Secondly, they may show disturbing signs, but because they can't become a vampire, I'd just let it alone.

MD,

That's a little tricky. I think that if you do decide to confront these people you should do so with an extreme amount of delicacy. If they're as adamant about becoming vampires as you say they are, one wrong word about their inability and it could turn ugly.

Basicly- talk slowly, have patience and don't attack them with your words and I think they'll see what you're getting at. Also, if there are other people in your group that feel as you do, tell them not to gang up on those you're speaking to. That will only make it worse.

just my

well, I would have to say that since you have no real control over what others are doing...just tell them you personal opinion on what they are doing. You cannot change a person's mind yourself, but maybe help them with that decision. If they do respect your opinion then hopefully some results will be shown from your concern.

~Samoht

To all,
(Nightvision, EvilSamoht, Eridun, Angelous)

Thank you all so much for your suggestions..... i will take heed of them... i will try as best as i can.

i would like to say that i greatly appreciate the boards kindness and assistance.

but i regret to say that during the time i was typing my first plea for help, one of my members had slit her wrists in a futile attempt to attract vampires to her side. she was found in her attic a few hours later. Blessedly, she is currently in stable condition but has not talked at all since the incident. i have gone to see her once and she has a beaten look in her eyes. though i am extremely sad to see her in her depressing state, i have to admit that she has now finally realised her mistake. but i do hate to see her so beaten.

i count myself as fully responsible for her accident and i am deeply sad. i really appreciate all your suggestions and assistance and i promise you i will do all in my power to prevent further instances.

*Love has become again my reprimand, my goad, my song*

I don't think you are responasible for that, and frankly I think you'll find there were other reasons for this girl to do what she did: such actions are very rarely the result of just one thing.

You cannot assume responsibility for the way people think and act, in doing so you would be depriving them of their free will.

As Eridun and the above posters say: as long as you are honest about your stance on the subject, and always available to listen to people's queries, I don't think you'll go far wrong.

I don't mean to generalise, but the vampire subculture does tend to attract a lot of vulnerable people - maybe it's the idea of there being 'something else to believe in - and as such you may find yourself in these situations again. Perhaps you might want to contact Sire, the owner of this board about such things? Although we aren't a cult as such, he has good advice, and I think shares your viewpoint on many things.

Nightvision,

again, thanks a lot for your help. i really appreciate your advise. and i do agree that the vampire culture does attract a lot of, as you said, "vulnerable" people. i thank you once again for your invaluable advise....

MD, make a good history research, then show them the real proof ... Dracula was a violent-normal leader and vampirism did not showd up just instantly ... Then ask them if they could proof the vampire existence. They will surely cannot ... THEN try to convince them that those vampire stories at TV are nothing but of mad people who drink blood and get sick, because they dont even have the theet of a REAL vampire. These are not professional advices but they could work real good.

There is a medical condition called vampirism it's where the immune system needs blood. The "vampire" craves blood and usualy dies from a common cold if they do not get it. There's a whole website on it that gives you tons of information. So technically there are vampires. But the chances of anyone being one is very rare, you have have in run in the family. Even then it's rare since it can skip many generations.

I think it's quite important not to believe what you read on websites straightaway unless there is some evidence to back up what they're saying and even then you can't be sure. What is this website you speak of? Does it put forward a convincing argument? I'm intrigued.

I know what you mean that's why I reall ylooked into it before I believed them. They argue the point very well, it has many things that prove it's true. Not only that but i looked further into it. The few books i could find on vampires ,that weren't fictional, said that vampirism is a medical condition. I too can strongly say I believe it is as well.

I know about Renfield's syndrome: and the mental aspects of vampirism have been studied I know...can you point me towards some information about this? I'm always interested to read new theories.

It's at http://www.drinkdeeplyanddream.com there 's tons of information proving that vampirism is real.

I used to post there!!! I met my boyfriend there. Gosh. thank you for the link. yes, they have a lot of information about the Real vampire lifestyle, and some interesting theories. It's not quite what I would call evidence, personally, but always worth a look. They had a good article on Porphyria I seem to remember.

Wow, ok........ thank you all for all your help.... and the fact that it may be an actual medical condition intrigues me a lot..... once again, thank you for your help, and they are starting to believe in what i am saying, thanks again.

You'll need to form your own opinion about the medical aspect MD...I personally don't find the evidence very convincing, but that's just my opinion.

Research, research, research I say. And check the veracity of your sources.

If you look further into it i belive there are other websites that talk about it being a medical condition. The one thing that scared me, was in many of the books and webistes it said people can become vampires. If someone is a donor to a vampire they can somehow contract the "v" gene.

if you believe the blade theory, then it is a disease. a plague actually.

I've seen that theory too...but I've yet to see anything explaining which medical condition it is...

I'd be grateful if you'd be willing to share what other things you've found Claudia. Although some of us are sceptical (always a risk with vampire sites) it's good to keep updated with the various theories going around, and you seem well-placed to represent them :) To help us keep the balance so to speak.

Most of the info i have i got from drink deeply and dream. If you do go there there is alot of explainations. But i'm not saying i truely believe that people can become vampires. I just said that it scared me that some of the books and websites said it was possible. The website i gave you says that it is possible but they aren't sure how it does accure. Which does make me question them. Most websites i do fnd are usualy people pretending to be vampires. This website on the other hand they do claim it but they give explaintions. Besides that they don't claim to be some immortal.

I checked out that page...and they had an amazing amount of info...but no matter how much I searched I couldn't find anything stating excactly which medical diseases causes vampirism, only that it is a medical condition.

I love how you speak, very well thought out, well like moost people said just tallk to em bout how you fell in the matter and be kind towards theere feelings they maybe using vampirisum as a way to escape reality maybe the fear death or even God.

Well, it´s a disease, but only in the way that Britney Spears is.
Best way to disuade them?
Make them do work.

I never thought of this concept but it seems very interesting

Yeah i know they're not sure how it happened. Hamato does have a theroy that i kinda think can fall into the vampirism being a medical condition.But some books said it was a "v' gene that runs in familys. Apparently it can skip many generations and doesn't accure till the person is a full adult




Hamato who are you speaking to?? Lol i'm slow today.

sorry I was speaking to The Morbid Darkness. And second u've read my theories? if so what u think of it?

Has anyone been able to separate this gene yet..?

First you have to find the vampire. ;)

True...but I would guess, for this be able to be presented as a fact, and not just a theory, there has to be some sort of research and scientific facts behind it..? Otherwise it would be nothing more than just educated guesswork...

Not completely flinching at the theory though, after all most all scientific breakthroughs starts as educated guesses and far-fetched theories...they laughed at Einstein too once.

well, hamato, thks a lot, for your suggestion i mean.

i have good news actually. everyone in my group has thankfully started to come to and realise the "error of their ways", or so the cliche goes.

they are all on the mend and this is largely thanks to the help of the kind people on this forum.

so, everyone, THANK YOU, from the bottom of my heart, dark though it may be.

The Morbid Darkness

wow..very interesting to actually have a medical condition such as this

MD,

I am afraid I have no advice to offer. And besides, the others have done very well providing you such. All I can say is best of luck to you and the others.

May the Gods' good will be turned to thee,

Jazmyne

*edit* Good for you MD!

No one knows how to seperate the gene yet. They're not even sure how it occured in the first place. But again find it oddd that it can be spread but not stopped.

I really need to know more bout what u have to say bout the v gene.