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Ur opinions ppl? will u see it?

Is it done by the guy who did Bowling for Columbine? If so I'm definetly gonna see it.

Moved to Movies from Off-Topic.

I may be radical left wing, but I'm not sure I buy all of Michael Moore's theories about the Bush administration.

Still might be entertaining to watch - Christopher Hitchens' article on Slate lambasting Moore's politics more than the movie is a rather chilling warning of what to expect. I'm tempted to write to Slate telling Hitchens where to stuff it. :lol:

Michael Moore is his name.

[rant]Michal Moore is an asshole, he's also a film maker. He lables his work as "Documentary" when it clearly is anything but. In 2002 he won the Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine" in the documentary category, he called all the other documentary nominee's up on stage with them and then he made a fairly crazy speech.
You might be asking yourself, "What the hell are you talking about Drav" and I'll answer that question when cheese sandwiches become fashion statements or when I start looking Tony Robbins good. No, instead I'll answer it now.
Michael Moore lables his work as a documentary and in my opinion he is in fact not a documentary film maker, he makes docu-dramas like "City of God" or "Kids" but the general public is never made aware of how he edits his material. In "Bowling for Columbine" there is a scene where Charleton Heston is talking on behalf of the NRA. Quotes appear on the screen and overall you're given the impression that every time you see Heston and every quote of his flashed on the screen are from the same event. They're not. They're from a bunch of events that Heston has appeared at, some over 5 years old by the time Moore put it in his film. Not to mention a number of those quotes were taken completely out of context. He does this in every movie he does, he raises excellent points and issues but that's where he drops the ball, after he raises the point he pretty much tells you what he thinks what you should believe.
Now, I don't hate Moore or his politics, more often than not I agree with him, however, his way of subtle manipulation is more than deplorable. It wouldn't be so bad if he just labled his work accordingly instead of misrepresenting it as a documentary.
Documentaries are supposed to bring objectivity, not further a personal agenda. Moore presents the right issues, he just doesn't present both sides, he presents his own side.[/rant]

I'll probably go see it.

Yes i definatly want to see this.. but im a big fan of Michael Moore so i guess my opinion is not unbiased. I dont agree with every position he takes but he definatly makes good points all around and brings issues into focus that go otherwise unnoticed. By the way this film isnt just about 9/11 its about the events leading up to it and the war efforts afterward.. should be interesting to see what he dug up this time.

I doubt I would, Michael Moore's a whole new kind of dumbass :)

*gives a round of applause for Dravanivin's comments about Moore* I couldn't agree more. He does bring up valid points about some stuff, but good grief you can just tell some of the manipulation points in the film. When Zeodus and I watched Bowling for Columbine, I thought it was good, but I just couldn't stand watching Moore for another second b/c he was just acting like a fucking child. It pissed me off. Zeodus wants to see this movie so much. I'm curious about this movie, but I'm trying to see how I can enjoy it without getting pissed off at his tactics for showing this information.

I don't know if anyone saw this report, but on Dateline, one of the reporters talked with Moore about something he had gotten hold of. Apparantly he got hold of a tape showing an Iraqi getting beat up by a group of U.S. soldiers. This wasn't at a prison in Iraq; it was out in the desert I think was what he told the reporter. The bit of interesting consequence is that he got hold of that about 4 months or so before we all heard about the Iraqi prison scandal. Interesting huh? I commend him on the fact that he didn't seek to get the info out to the press, but the reporter was pissing me off b/c Moore didn't give away the tape to anyone of the press. Shows how thirsty the media is for anything that destroys the image of government.

Moore's controversial show of views of politics also came up on I think either Inside Edition or Celebrity Justice. One of the senators appeared on there saying Moore isn't telling the whole truth about the walk-up interview you see Moore do with the other politicians in the film. Also says that not all of the interview is on the movie at all, that Moore edited a bunch of comments just to show the bad side of things. *shrugs* Don't know if anyone would agree with this. I guess we'll have to be the judge of this when it comes out on Friday.

im an great fan but dont have the energy to argue....i saw the movie...it was breathtaking...you ends up with a feeling thats unlike any other.... yes you can find mistakes in his work and theres no doubt the man is controversial....still he points out theres somethings in the usa thats wrong and shows em with statistics and interwiews...and he is funny

I saw it. It was totally one sided. My father, step-mom and myself loved it. while my aunt, uncle and cousin found it totally outragious. All im gunna say is that u can tell who is republican and who is democratic just by the liking and disliking of it.

im not sure if anyone has seen it yet, but i just wanted to say that the most interesting part was of Bush's (please pardon my bad spelling) inogiration (aka his welcoming to the presidency). he was so disliked that eggs were thrown at his limo. the SS (secret service) had to go so far as to stop the limo in fear for his life. interesting that nothing of the such was shown on the news.

but yes, bash the film or love it. the choice is to the person and has a lot to do with their political beliefs. I'm liberal myself and have no fear of saying so. but i thought it was very well made.

I consider myself Democrat, and didn't really like the film at all. Sure, it was well-made, well-edited, and teh soundtrack was crafted brilliantly and used mostly in mockery of many things... many, many things.

I am against this war, and I am against Bush, but the movie is just as deceptive, and just as contradictory, unfair and stereotypical as the Bush Administration.

People believe themselves so liberal, so smart, so righteous when they see the film... come out of the theatre screaming. "Yeah, Go Moore! Bad Bush and... stuff!"

He takes situations, films, and quotes out-of-context, and I do not know how he dares call any of his films "documentaries" as they are not objective, and always one-sided.

I want to see it because I have seen Bowling For Coulimbine
And that movie touched me deeply..At one point in the movie I was crying..
But yeah, I'd like to hear what moore's side of the story is..Atleast he's going out there and telling the world what he believes in..
I think its great.
Maybe he labels it a documentary so that it can be watched by the millions..
I thought it funny how the U.S was trying to not let it be shwon in theaters..It just shows you there that Bush is worried.

At some points of the movie, I cried, too. But it's sad that Moore has to play the Crying Mother at Washington card to get heard. I actually do believe in a lot of the things he says - just not the way he says them. Why must he resort to deception when he's on the right side?

British point of view

I haven't managed to see it yet, Farenheit 9/11 just opened here today, but from what I can make out it's more of a personal crusade for Michael Moore than a documentary. I do agree with many of the things he says in his books and in his cinema; but his constant ranting is starting to become annoying rather than eye-opening.

u said he's on the right side.... but u see, other people see him as being on the wrong side. therefore he cant say "I'm right, you're wrong". its opiniontive (not a word, i know)

Sadly enough, it does seem like the goal of it is to break the country apart, especially when we should all be united for once. In a way, people have become so fickle, they go with the next best thing. Goes with fashion, music, looks. Same thing for politics. Many accuse the Republicans of being brainwashing war mongers (sp?), but who is to say Democrats are not that way either? If anyone wanted to go really out on a hate bashing of Moore, many could argue that Moore is brainwashing ppl to his point of view on his beliefs on the world. I'm not saying he is. As far as politics goes, I'm inbetween (meaning a lot of views I agree with on both sides), but I hate it when someone says they're inbetween as well, but they're more left than middle. :P

Speaking of which, Zeodus' friend was saying they wouldn't be able to release this movie on DVD. We all got in an argument as to how they couldn't let the movie be released on DVD and VHS. He's planning to release it before the election. Personal agenda?

hmm... that would have been an interesting debate.

however, i doubt it'll be released either. and if it does, then maybe only in certain places. it will be interesting to see how that plays out

any of u seen this? some of it looked staged but other parts made me want 2 throw bricks at bush, whats r thoughts?

I just saw it yesterday. Some of the things in it confused the hell out of me. My mother thought it was funny.

lots of noteable facts in it...i just wish it wasn't so left slanted...nobody that didn't already hate bush learned to hate him

Reasons not to watch Fahrenheit 9/11:

It's preaching to the converted in a big way.
It's shortsighted, blaming all America's troubles on the figurehead when it's America itself that's rotten to the core.
It's ego-gratification on Moore's part - the stunts in this film don't show up things that are wrong with America, they show Moore trying to get attention.
It's not as good a film as Bowling for Columbine, for all the above reasons.

Reasons to watch Fahrenheit 9/11:

It's got one or two fun facts about the American/Saudi business understanding.
It's got a cool and allusive title.
Some of you are so blindly patriotic that you need to see as many of these films as possible. They might just teach you something.

Was it just me that thought the mother's visit to Washington all seemed a little contrived? It was just too convenient that she had a toe-to-toe with an opponent of the war, plus all the pro-forces footage of her before her son died was just too much of a coincidence for my liking.

Michael Moore is an entertaining guy, and something like Farenheit 9/11 needs to be made because it is so antithetical to the news reports and movies available on tv and in the movies in the states.