Angelous
Jun 13 2004, 06:29 PM
Okay... what's your opinion. Some people think that vampires are the negative image of Christ. Do you agree?
(if you don't understand) Let me explain:
Give/Take: Christ is the source of engergy. Dracula is the end, and takes life.
Dove/Moon: A holy symbol is the dove. A vampire symbol is a bat.
Eternity: Christ lives for eternity. The vampire is dealing time against blood.
Blood: Blood represents life in the Christian religion. Vampires suck the blood that Jesus is giving to his people.
I could go on for a while, but I'm not going to. Just go on what I've listed so far. Do you think vampires are the negative image of Christ? Yes or no, and why?
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Just in my opinion... I don't believe that's true at all.
Liod
Jun 15 2004, 06:25 AM
I don't believe in this theory, mainly because the examples given were random and made little sense, and partially because Christianity offers just one view, out of all the different religious viewpoints. The original vampiric beliefs were heathen, and had no connection to Jesus.
To start off:
Give/Take: Christ is the source of engergy. Dracula is the end, and takes life.
Where excactly does it say Christ is the source of energy? He's an icon, a symbol, but not in any way connected to energy. If either should be, I'd bet my money on the Holy Ghost.
Dove/Moon: A holy symbol is the dove. A vampire symbol is a bat.
Which means what excactly? The dove isn't holy...it's a symbol of peace, from older times, and only adapted into christianity through old legends, one specifically. If the bat is to be associated with the moon, the dove should be a symbol of the sun, if these were to be opposites. Or, the bat should be a symbol of war. Neither sounds very familiar to me.
Eternity: Christ lives for eternity. The vampire is dealing time against blood.
So was Christ, if you are to look at the symbolism. Jesus, just like the classic vampire, had to die to gain immortality, he had to bleed. Unlike the vampire though, who's free to roam the earth throughout his eternity, Christ is stuck waiting for his time to come.
Blood: Blood represents life in the Christian religion. Vampires suck the blood that Jesus is giving to his people.
Blood is life in just about every religion...and, to follow up the Christ/vampire similarity, vampires gives blood to create new vampires...much like Christ symbolically does to gain new followers.
Angelous
Jun 15 2004, 08:13 PM
It's not my theory... I was just stating something I had read somewhere.
But, what I can guess is, the person who wrote it (I just relayed it) was trying to point out that these comparisons were opposites, therefore the negative image. But yeah... I was just wondering what other people thought of it.
Archangel
Jun 15 2004, 09:16 PM
Seems to be the Dracula 2000 mythos all over again...
contessabathory
Jun 16 2004, 11:46 PM
i think that vampires are more of a reflection of satan than of christ.
negruinimă
Jun 20 2004, 12:37 PM
I would have to agree that this does seem to be the Dracula 2000 mythos, but in a sense yes that does have some similarities. However if you believe in christ being the messiah as much as you do in the reality of vampires, then they are not immortal at all but merely corpses under a suspended sentence because they will be sent to hell/heaven once judgement day comes.
I do think that Dracula 2000 was a change from the usual dtraight-to-video films recently and i thought there was some good original ideas there.
Angelous
Jun 20 2004, 03:04 PM
I guess thats a good way to look at it.
XFridayXTheXThirteenthX
Jun 20 2004, 03:20 PM
i agree with you... as long as you used the name dracula not to mean he was tha first vampire...
Crossdagger
Jun 28 2004, 10:45 PM
No I do not think vampires are the negative image of christ. Vampires are immortal therefore defying life. And another simple answer to that is how many other religions are there ya know? So just think about it.
Crossdagger
Vessius
Jun 28 2004, 10:51 PM
i believe in clearwitch.. the belief in vampires was originaly heathen and had nothing to do with christ
Aaron
Jun 29 2004, 07:39 AM
So now Dracula is the main opposition to God... I bet that pisses the Devil off something fierce...
Angelous
Jul 1 2004, 10:26 AM
I'm not trying to imply that vampires are the "main opposition to god", as Aaron has stated. I opened this subject because it was something that I had read somewhere, and I wanted to see what others thought of it.
I don't agree that the vampire is the negative image of christ. I think it all just depends on how you feel and see the subject to begin with.
Obrimos
Jul 3 2004, 10:20 PM
i dont believe that is such, but i dont believe in JC and god. speaking of fiction, I have encountered a book deals with that same question. It is called "Memnoch, the Devil," by Anne Rice (the fifth book in the series of Vampires Chronicles, and I therefore recommend all books shall be read up to the point, though it is not too necessary, its still recommended).
Claudia Black
Jul 3 2004, 11:37 PM
So you all know Cain was the first vampire. Bram Stoker based dracula off of Vlad Dracul a hungarian prince. He matched the image for his book The walking dead, so when he found out about Vlad and changed it to Dracula. And vampires have no souls or at least the fictional ones don't, so they would be anti christ.
NightVision
Jul 4 2004, 01:38 AM
The idea of Cain as the first Vampire was an idea picked up by White Wolf, publishers of Vampire The Masquerade role playing game, so although it makes for an inspired idea, I'm afraid that the general consensus is that it is an invention.
Also to my knowledge, Bram Stoker never wrote a book called The Walking Dead, but if I'm wrong do show me. He was going to call Dracula 'The Undead'...I think...but thought it was just too lacklustre a name. Which frankly it would have been.
I hope this doesn't seem like I'm doing you down Claudia - but this site is a mine of well-researched information and we do tend to be a bit pedantic at times. It's a great place to learn more about Vampires ... in fact you can't help BUT learn sometimes...
Claudia Black
Jul 4 2004, 11:35 AM
Yes, it was my mistake it was "The Undead". But i read in a book that Cain was the first vampire, White Wolf just used it. This is what i read, but feel free to disprove me. If you are trying to say though that he didn't base Dracula off of Vlad that would be hard to disprove. There are mnay books stateing he did base Dracula off of Vlad.
Hallow
Jul 5 2004, 12:24 AM
i think that Bram Stoker just made the Dracula in his book, as the real Vlad Tepes A.K.A Dracula, who had become a vampire somehow.
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