Definitely YES!!!! We should not be scared about them!!!!! All creature in this world hav the right to live!!! As long as they don't hurt any of the mortals......they can order to the blood bank for them to feed!!!!!!

If I ever see you in real life, I will be sure to keep my distance.

Of course, you realize that YOU are a mortal, along with all of the people who claim to be vampires, since there are no magical vampires in existance.

There's only people who label themselves vampire, which does not a vampire make.

keeping this hypothedical:

a vampire in the traditional sense couldn't live with humans "being a butt ugly blood thirsty monster"

besides a good monster never lives with humans or gets along with them.

"also the blood bank thing wouldn't work, no one can just come off the street and order blood, only an official representative of a Hospital or Government office can order blood" and only with good reason "like needing blood for transfusions".

especially since there is always a blood shortage in blood banks.

We should put up a giant sticky notice specifically for n00bs about how you can't just get blood out of a blood bank.

Not too sure about this thread, but I'll give it a day or two. Guess I kinda figured we were all on this earth anyway...and...since vampires supposedly need human blood they don't really have a choice about living with humans anyway?

Beingswith the ability for individual reason should be able to at least in theory co-exist together peacefully. Doesn't mean always that it will happen though. Look at world peace with just humans alone. We don't even get along peacefully with each other. But why? One reason, we choose not to directly or indirectly by falling into a power heirarchy that directs our behaviour against it. Anyway, blah blah, I just say what has been said before many times. Nothing good comes from this repetition alone I feel.

Inside a blood bank:

Clerk: Hello, who´s this?
Voice on the phone: I need...blood...
Clerk: WTF?!?!?!
VOTP: Blood...pathetic mortal creature...bloooooood
Clerk: Aw, fuck, another vampire...look, just you call extension 22, and get on the waiting list...
VOTP: I am...a creature of darkness...Terror is I...
Clerk: Yeah, sure...look, I´ve got to take this call...see ya!
VOTP: Pawn of the mortal world...I´ll show you darkness...pawn?...Mortal?...
(blank noise)
VOTP: Hey...where are you...answer me...I know you are listening...
VOTP: Hello!...I´m hungry...err...extension 22?...extension 22?!!!!extension 22?!?!?!?!?!?!
(after some hours have passed, the clerk picks up the phone, and is greeted by an anguished "EXTENSION 22!!!!" cry)
Clerk: Dude, you´re a fag.

well atleast, i heard all your thoughts about this!!!!!! We have different views in life!!!! Me???? I love to live w/ them... :devilflip:

I agree with Nemesis Chylde

This is hypothetical ppl! If vampires (the mythical kind) did exist, than I don't think it would be a good idea to have them living with us (in very close quarters!) unless they were our lovers or something because than it would be looking over your shoulder 24/7 to make sure they don't feed off of you.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's brightened up my day, thanks Jolly_Roger!!!

Lovers? Have fun fucking the corpse.

I'll be sure to send my regards from you to them! :lol:

now heres a question what does the starter of this thread mean by 'with"

is it like how I live with my cats,
because in predator prey relations its not living with, its liveing beside, as in lions live beside zebras, but not with them 'which would imply lieing down amongst the pride."

so by saying vampires living "with" humans it sound slike your saying "vampire room mate" "flat mate for you brits" as opposes to liveing beside humans which would imply hideing on the out skirts of our civilization.

or amongst humans such as pretending to be one but seperate "own lair".

Thanks for the praise, man! :lol: :lol:

You have a sick sense of humor.
I think you don´t shit where you eat.
Vampires cannot coexist with humans.
Vampires should use humans as cattle.

Tsk...don't encourage him.

Using humans as cattle...what kind of vampire are you talking about? the hypothetical Classical/Mythological vampire? Or the Human living vampire?

In the first instance I would agree with you, in the second my finger would be hovering over your warn meter.

I´m talking about someone who´s (un)living as a real vampire, not this modern nonsense.

Vampires should wander around nicknaming themself a weapon of mass-seduction?

I don't like the idea of vampires treating human beings like cattle...i also dislike the idea of vampires living amongst human beings.

I am talking about literary vampires of course, since vampires do not exist, apart from HLVs but I wouldn't call them vampires in the traditional sense anyway.

Part of the appeal of the literary vampire is that it is the outsider. The Literary vampire is a creature of this world, but yet again not of this world. Sure it can pretend to be a regular human being (Carmilla, Lord Ruthven, Sir Francis Varney and more recently, Lestat de Lioncourt), but like i said it would have to pretend for a vampire doesn't fit in with moral codes and human legal standings. A vampire is a killer, a ruthless killer, with no regret or sympathy for its victims. It seduces it's victims, entices them and exploits their darkest sexual desires. This is all a mask though. What I find so fascinating about the Literary vampire is that they are blood hungry monsters BUT in order to survive, they must masquerade as human beings. They live in a world in which they do not belong.

I also like the literary vampire for how solitary it is. Apart from modern stories, the Literary vampire rarely interacts with other vampires, apart from it's own children. Vampires wouldn't usually get along all that well for territorial reasons, food etc. I like the idea of there being so few vampires and how solitary they are because it just emphasizes that they have no world of their own.

Amongst other things ;)...

Okay... as many people know, for the most parts vampires are seen as blood sucking fiends from beyond the grave. The kind of thing that sleeps during the day and arises at night to feed from the living on their blood. ...Thats the way most people think of the typical vampire. But what I'd like to stress are two things.

1) A vampire could be nothing more than a HUMAN with a blood fetish.

...and

2) Here, is something for everyone who doesn't believe in vampires to consider. "If everyone were to accept that what science has not yet discovered does not exist, science would stagnate and society could not advance. Keep in mind that a lot of things that the ancients considered mythical have been explained by science -- and the ancients believed in vampires."
(Vampires: The Occult Truth, by Konstantinos)

I dunno... just think about it.

Any specific reason why you're badmouthing yourself?

1) It wouldn't be a vampire in that case but as you say 'a human with a blood fetish' - world of a difference.

2) A typically ill thought out and ill structured argument by an occultist.

Because science can't possibly know everything it must not be trusted. Society will crumble because we are all sitting around thinking that science hasn't proven ........something or other............. Proven what? What are we all in mental turmoil about? The existence of vampires? Here's a wake up call - no-one gives a shit!!

Of course if an occultist/psychic/new ager/wiccan/whatever wants to prove a point, it's remarkable how often they call on scientific evidence to support it!

The only way that society has really advanced has been through science. It doesn't have all the answers. It isn't always used for the good of all. It can however be questioned and analysed - that is exactly how we move forward. There is no wishy-washy 'Anything can happen', 'I am a psy vamp and I can drain energy from trees if I try' 'Stop asking me questions I just am.' nonsense.

Who exactly are 'the ancients' anyway?

What has science explained that they believed to be myths?

If you proved 8 legged, giant, orange ninja turtles existed how does that, in any way, prove that any other life form exists?

Until, we have even circumstantial evidence that vampires exist, there is no reason, other than personal desire, to believe that they do.

I am, of course, talking about Classicals not those with a desire for attention.

Science is cool and useful. I love it. But you are right, at present, it does not have all the answers. So logically then we must step outside of it at least for a moment (or widen the realm) in order to get them, no?

Anything can happen unless it is limited to only what can be currently fully quantified and understood at present by a certain group of people - in which case it is already rhetorical in that all variables and interactions are already defined with no other room for anything else - minus the failings of the humans involved. But introduce soemthing outside of that and it is seemingly no longer logical (so I say?) to say that it cannot happen. Or do I miss how it is logical to assume that one would know?

Yeah, when people refuse to answer questions, refuse to use reason in good faith, speak truthfully, etc. it can be hard for anything to advance. But I think we both know that.



Hmm.



Hmm.




I'd say it would prove something about our current organized methods of reason at the very least. I'm sure it would make quite an impact and establish a more imaginative and open frame of mind within the scientific community - you know giant orange ninja (implying reasoning abilities?) turtles and all.... right? lol Can I see the look on their faces when they see them, that would probably be enough right there to answer this! When four year old children are closer to the truth than men of seasoned age and education.... wait... nah.



You've just basically said that "personal desires" is the only reason to believe that vampires exist. Depending on what you mean by "we" this seems to be faulty logic in part because you are dealing with belief - unless you know the reasons for the beliefs of everyone else who believe in vampires or have some other claim to that authority? But you probably mean more current science, to which I would agree.

When the world's various psychics, crystal healers, aura readers, seers, dream interpreters, channellers, mages, healers, psychic surgeons, rune readers, tarot readers, palm readers, handwriting readers, dowsers, past life regressionists, magnetic therapists, homeopathists, feng shui...ists(?) and astrologists actually prove that they can do what they say they can then perhaps they would be treated with a bit more respect. As it is, they have nothing. Personal accounts, pragmatic fallacy, post hoc fallacy, placebo effect (all the P's!) amongst others.

Just to labour the point - who are 'the ancients'? It's a typical bullshit term that means nothing.

I meant 'we' in the generic sense. Belief is totally subjective. If someone wants to believe in vampires because they think they're cool (or whatever) then that is up to them. There is no argument. I might try because I'm a stubborn bastard but I would be under no illusions as to the outcome!

Respect, I'm not so sure that everyone in this world cares much what the rest of the world thinks of them. I don't know, maybe because sometimes they don't think too much of the world itself to value its opinion anymore - or whatever reason they may have. But again, you say "they have nothing" and this is your opinion not a truly accurate declaration of the state of the universe unless you have sufficent knowledge to back that up with. So ironically, you too "have nothing" if you or the ones making the judgement lack knowledge related to the matter. But we are all just kids anyway. Even playing games of "I dare you! ... No I dared you first! The rules say you must go first!" amongst each other, meanwhile I'm sure something somewhere just laughs at us or perhaps the universe just moves on.



Sorry. I didn't say it originally, someone else did. So I feel I couldn't declare that in that way unless I reached into their minds and told you what they associate the word with in that context. (which I doubt that I can do now) If I answered you, it would be totally out of context with the way the other person used it and within my own terms. But I like how you asked them what they meant, that's a good first step.



Yeah, I know, it seems so futile sometimes to change the belief of others, doesn't it? I think we have to do it largely ourselves.

sure...the idea of living with vampires may sound interesting. but it's definately not realistic. why do you think they make movies about them?! there are alot of "odd" people in the world (i may be one myself...i admit it) and those people like movies about vampires.
living with a vampire.....well...get over the dream and watch a movie. there comes a time when your dream becomes a little too ...ummm...annoying.

the other thing that grosses me out is the whole idea that they are dead (undead)
<like bahamut said>
i'd rather be with a warm, loving crazy guy than with a cold-hearted creature who can't keep it up. it's just not possible.
heh...they drink blood...meaning they have none...meaning no blood circulation in the fun region.

but hey..like i said....movies are so so much fun to have! :punk:
:popcorn:
:cinema:

Well I don't see the point of the question. They would live where they wanted. If they could pass to be your co-worker they would. If all they could manage is coming through your window and sucking your blood that would be that. The minute mortals start a war the end of humanity would arise. Look at history, that which can't be dealt with reasonable is demolished. How do you kill what is dead but living? They will find a way and think they can live with the consequences. Explain the choice of that.