Hello everyone, you may have seen me posting on occasion, I don't too often because there is a lot of repitition here in this forum. That's okay though because that means lots of refrences for those who don't know where to find the answers!

People I've noticed come here claiming that they are vampires and that they want to become vampires. Yes there are some who come that say they aren't really interested and all and they were just recruited to be a moderator. That's fine and all but I was wondering if anyone here was actually considering that there are other kinds of vampires, maybe some kind we aren't considering? Like, when I say vampires we haven't considered I mean something that we have completely overlooked. I think we may have lightly touched on this but it seems that having an obsession with something makes you a vampire. Like, when you soak in knowledge like a sponge, you are a vampire in a sense because they take the juices and main article of something and use it for themselves. I mean, heck, we consider a whooole lot of different things to be vampiric but some of them are just crazy.

It's easier to refer to people as crazy then to actually say something that is worthwhile about their problems or how they are feeling when they join. I had some realizations when I first came here about a year ago and I've grown a little.

Alright, some ideas, I think that the reason most people here have a craving for blood is because we are omnivores, we didn't have thuroughly cooked hamburgers back in the day and before, we just ripped apart a cow and were content. We are kind of reverting back to that I think when we crave this blood, civilization makes us less inclined to it, but we still want it.

Teenagers also seem to have this obsesion. More teenagers crave blood on this site then anyone I've noticed before.

Alright, comments please?

Why, Who COULD you possibly be referring to? :lol:

Yes I think you may have a point there. Bloodlust is very primal, and just a little variation of intensity in some people may well elicit a direct desire for blood. After all if blood-drinking is so disgusting to 'normal' people, why do people read Vampire novels at all, and why are so many news companies interested in putting 'vampire killing' on the front page? Blood is the sign that a woman is physically mature enough for sex (note: I said physically), blood carries our genetic code and all our nutrients, blood is thicker than water, a family member is 'of your blood', Royals are said to have Blue Blood...if you spill enough of it you die.

Humans have an intimate relationship with blood whether they like it or not. Perhaps we just don't like being reminded of it.

The Vampire is the Taker and the Deceiver - as is the human being. Vampires are not about some other world, they are about OUR world.

I don't think too many people take that into consideration. They think vampires are this alien motive and that they are completely different. Nah, I mean the way the "real vampires" describe themselves they seem to be interesed in the same things 3/4 of the population is.

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Usually I think that when mortals believe themselves to be vampires it is only a mental picture they recognize and wish to be. This mental picture of course is the vampires life style. You may call these people to be vampires if you want or you may even call them to be a lesser type of vampire, but this you call them can never be near to a truth. These people who are mentally capable of drinking blood, of rising to the night, of mimicking everything they love about their favorite monster, aren’t vampires or any of the kind. Merely dying to the possibility of being something other than what they are. The true ecstacy will never come to them without them excepting the Dark Gift that may never be presented to them. Even if it would be possible for them, they would eventually die from the reality. What I am saying is that there is a difference between the vampire and the mortal wishing or portraying to be.

-L

yes, but in a sense, everyone is a vampire, we live off of something

to talk about unexplored kinds of vampires... what if there are ancient ones ( like in Queen of the Damned, not saying I believe in all of Anne Rice's theories) but what if there were a few old vampires whose blood and body could live in the light? that would change a whole lot of things.

Everyone and Everything lives off of something. Would you call an apple a pear because they both require sunlight? Call them fruit if you must catagorize them.

The real difference between mortals and vampires is that a vampire was ONCE a mortal. It can't be that a mortal is a vampire even though that mortal has the craving for blood. The physical differences between the two overwhelm the mental similarities.

( 2 "Crazy" )Never know if there are still Ancients left if they ever were to begin with.

I share your point of view on the definition of what a Vampire is, Leilo.

However, one thing that I have come to appreciate in my time posting to the internet about Vampires is that cultures change and the meaning of words mutate. Quite often on this board in particular we have several different definitions of what a Vampire is. Although I personally think, like you, you have to have died to become a Vampire, I wouldn't expect everyone to share this view (notwithstanding the fact that the only reason there is a Vampire subculture at all is due to the more traditional myths and stories and therefore in my eyes at least, the defintion is fixed *sigh*)

I love the old traditions, the romanticism (the frilly shirts ;))and in some ways it is hard for me to accept that the concept of vampires is changing. Having said that, it offers some really interesting insights into human psychology, why so many people identify so closely with the idea, what it says about us as whole.

My two cents :)

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

I have a question though, Lelio, where does the line to cross over to become a vampire happen in your opinion, I mean if we ignored the rebirth situation. As in, we die and then we are reborn a vampire sort of thing, any way of that. What must a human do to become a vampire?

I think that the race has become acustumed to the Anne Rice tellings, or that vampires are born into life. We really aren't being that original. What are some new ideas as to how a vampire comes to be? Does anyone have an idea other then, "He took my blood, then I drank his." Or, "I was born this way."



Alright, now this part I liked. I agree with this and all, but the thing is, I meant that all humans can be called a vampire in a sense because we soak up things, like information. :devilbook: I agree though in your definition, and I liked your metaphor for the apple and pear,





Do you mean, psychology as in the way humans enjoy each others presense? Or in the way that humans enjoy the presense of the super natural? I think that humans in general have an obsession with the supernatural, they either highly avoid it, or enjoy it at a personal level. Plus, everyone likes a 16th century man in a frilly shirt.

:D *Feels Welcomed*

I agree Nightvision on what you mean. The meanings of the term "Vampire" are changing with time, and yes, it does drive me insane. Why do humans take titles and twist them to fit their desires? Most would say, “Why not?”

And no Draquilas, I wouldn’t call it being very original at all either. If it was ignored though, the whole “rebirth idea”, and we tried to figure out a way that a person could become a vampire without it ( in the needing blood, alergic to sun, immortal way); I would say that it was impossible for a human to become a vampire. Of course we could sit down and come up with ways of how it could be in a scientific lab, but how could we prove our theories. It would be impossible to find the impossible to do the impossible. And as you have probably already picked up, a vampire to me is only the immortal kind.

A person who claims the vampire title and life style is psychotic in my views, or merely craving for attention rather than blood. This is why they take the supernatural to such a “personal level”. People just love the unexplainable, so someone who is or tries to be the unexplainable and parades it furiously is possibly going to get attention from others. I know about this only to well.


Love these boards by the way. Friendly. Plus, you don't feel like your talking to morons.

But isn't that one of the many definitions of a vampire?



Exactly what I'm saying, and I agree that people have a nache for finding the unexplained. It's something we strive to find. And when we can't find it, we make up things, like werewolves, and things that we think we can explain if were to ever happen.



Yes, simply because, we're not. Or at least most of us aren't.

Still, there may be vampires of the immortal kind. I wouldn't say their not out there, just maybe, somehow, it could be.

By the Way-What's going on with the role playing thing? I don't seem to understand it.

Well, see, I'm an actor (theatre) and I like to take different roles or characters I get and talk in their voice online with others. It's a great way to understand and learn about the character your going to be playing. Yet I never am myself online when talking to different people. Many actors, that I've run into, have different ways of character development.

Other stuff? *Clears Throat*

I completely understand what you mean about the term vampire being a way of naming a certain mental disability, disease, culture, or the way a person just want's to live. Don't get me wrong, I see your point. Just seeing the point from the beginning hardly ever leads into an interesting discussion.

Cleaned and reopened. I'd like you all to focus on this part especially...

Thank you for the cleaning Nemisis, this thread truly needed it.

Here are some kinds of vampires that we may have overlooked that I've been thinking about that could exist.

A vampire in which they do not take at all, they are completely the opposite of that, something that is against the entire vampirism theme and lives off of the nothingness of other people. They don't need anything except for others. I don't mean a psychic vampire though that steals the life from people or the soul or however many things that a psychic vampire could use from a person or animal or thing. This kind of vampire needs others to live off of through just being.

Crazy had a good point. The kind of vampire that doesn't have to live in the dark or drink blood. A well adapted vampire that isn't relieing on the things that we classify. It would probably take the classical vampire a long time to come up with a way to overcome that illness from having and not having the two things that destroy and sustain them. In that sense though, vampires could be the ancestors of humans. Humans being primal in their earlier days.

Yep, if you have any input on this subject, feel free to add on.

I've said this many times over and be more than happy to say it again-the idea of what is a Vampire has changed across time. As legend has it, Vampires are creatures of the night, damned for eternity to feed on the blood of the living for survival, feared and hated by the world.
As a growing number of people in the world begin to challenge the notion of inequality and repression, they are turning their heads away from the darkness of society's constraints and toward the light of the freedom of a Vampire lifestyle. Vampires today symbolize power and life for many.
Vampires represent the acceptance of the forbidden urges and encourage the "true self" to be set free. Dressing up in goth/Vampire attire is one way people free themselves from society's constraints. This makes us feel like individuals. we don't have to be like everybody else. This search for individuality is what many are seeking. They want to seek out acceptance and to rebel against the societal norms.
Vampires represent more than darkness and death. Rather, vampires capture the very essence of life - which is freedom.

Lovely way of putting it. I think you're right mostly. Except sometimes, people when crying out for attention don't need black clothes and their gothic sense. They blend in and as they blend in, their part of something and a part is always noticed.