The Shearer
May 28 2004, 04:19 AM
As a newcomer to your company, I trust my thread is not amiss?
In my short time among you I have learned much regarding the human fixation with all things vampire. A condition I am aware of, but one which requires illumination.
For that gift, I thank you.
And since no gift must go unrequited, I offer you a small insight into that which is impossible to you as you read my words.
How to go invisible
Something that requires no effort for me. Something humans can achieve by virtue of practice, diligence and a purity of body.
You cannot become invisible and fly around the place. Aerodynamics are against you, sadly.
But in a crowded street, or room, you can make yourself invisible to all but the adept.
You must wear neutral colours. Grey, dusky green, dark beige. Not black. Black attracts the eye. Watch a human eye in sudden darkness? The pupil expands. This is a trigger.
You must learn to shut down all but essential functions, quickly. To be very still and breathe in a wave like rhythm. Study of Zazen, the Zen meditation technique will assist.
Learn to unfocuss the eyes. Gently let them cross and hold this position. At first, you may experience a mild headache, but with perseverance, over time, this will become a natural move
These are the basics
Like anything worth learning, this will take time and devotion. Time and devotion that may be well rewarded.
Kaziglu Bey
May 28 2004, 05:25 AM
Hey
An invisible post is what was needed to pull me out of the background, as i had been invisible here.
I believe to be invisible is to not be noticed or to be someone other than who you are believed to be. The real me is invisible everyday to all but a few close friends and like minded people yet my form is visible in the guise i wish to be known by to move through the daily obstacles I face.
My real being is all but invisible and my cloak takes many forms, I hope to make friends here and be able to shed the burden of my own personal cloak.
So, what I am trying to say is hey friends, nice place you got here. Sorry for hijacking your post Shearer, but i concur on the essence of what you are trying to say, it takes great concentration to be invisible and it is a great skill that can be improved through the ardour of practice and dedication.
KB
NightVision
May 28 2004, 02:59 PM
Interesting posts, both.
I personally take the point of view that it is possible to be as 'unnoticed' as you like if you are adept at controlling your body language, but for me, it is a question of manipulating others' perception, rather than physical matter.
In my darkest moments (my most psychotic ones- all in the past, thankfully) I have actually deluded myself into believing I could not be heard or seen, and would actually do very strange outlandish things just to 'test' this 'ability' - but it was more a result of illness than anything else.
From your posts I take it that you agree you would still be visible in a photograph, yes? Just clearing up the point of view here, as claims pertaining to what we would call supernatural traits belong in Real Vampires Subforum.
Millie
May 29 2004, 04:17 PM
Shearer I am very interested in what you have to say. I will have great need of invisibility in the near future. I know you say that it isn't something you can learn overnight, but is there any way I can obtain this useful skill in quick time? Please don't just say no. Believe me when I say my life may very well depend on it. I am soon to venture forth on a journey of great importance and of much danger, a journey to save this world. I joke with you not. I am an integral part of the survival of mankind and his future.
I am a fast learner and a willing student, would you be willing to become my personal tutor, my mentor even?
Do not worry if you reply and hear nothing from me for sometime. I am deep in research and meditation a lot of the time. I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Please think about this before dismissing me out of hand.
Rhuen
May 29 2004, 04:43 PM
I doth think this world will survive with out you knowing some on-line person's idea of invisibility. :rolleyes:
also there are some vicouse flamers around here your stay may be more pleasent if you drop the act and just be your self, there is a role play section for the acting.
Barnabas
May 30 2004, 12:36 AM
:boobies2: You know in the year and a half that I have been here...I have seen many strange threads...but this thread might just be the strangest one of all. Becoming invisible by coodinating your clothes...now there is a good one. :lol:
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 09:18 AM
You cannot be invisible you can however easily escape the common sight meaning you can walk unnoticed but still be seen.
I however have diffrent theories about being "invisible" to people.
I have been doing Ninjitsu for almost a year and a half and you can move to escape others field of vision meaning stay out of the area towards where they look.
You can blend in with dark if you wear black and blend in with other things.
you can test this by having a friend look down a dark corridor at night with only the moon for guidance.
wear all black and cover your face with your arms and you will become "Invisible" so to say.
It's all about deception and background colours in the end.
Millie
May 31 2004, 01:04 PM
I guess I will find no help here.
Thankyou anyway.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 01:13 PM
I never said I wouldn't help you.
If it's true or not what you said Stealth is easy to learn and a very good thing to know about.
If you are serious about it I can teach you.
Millie
May 31 2004, 01:28 PM
Now I wonder two things,
will you seriously help me?
do you take me seriously?
I wish to upset no-one and if it's thought I am playing then I will seek elsewhere.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 01:31 PM
I answer two things to that.
1 yes i would.
2 Depends on what the full story is.
You have E mail or AIM msn perhaps?
Millie
May 31 2004, 01:35 PM
I don't believe in the invisible man of childrens comics.
I merely wish for help in avoiding the gaze of others.
666
May 31 2004, 01:37 PM
~laughs~
There is no sure way to render yourself invisible. For all your attempts, you will never truly ever achieve it. I for one could not make such a claim.
On the other hand, why even try? Why not enjoy your existence, and walk proudly among your peers, in full view, and acknowledging your presence?
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 01:42 PM
As i said I'm willing to help but only if you are serious.
I do not believe in the invisible man either but I do know how to remain hidden from sight.
This does not mean you turn transparant or something It means I'll teach you how to use your enviroment to your advantage to stay inconspicuous so only the trained eye can see.
666 : I agree with your claim but enjoying life for me Is what i do best but also being hidden well can be fun.
Ever snuk up to someone when he didn't even hear you coming and made him crap himself in fear as you touch his shoulder with an icecube?
Millie
May 31 2004, 01:43 PM
There may be times in your life when going unnoticed is a benefit.
Ask shop lifters.
No I am not a shop lifter before you ask.
NightVision
May 31 2004, 01:47 PM
You could always be a Ninja. They're very big on stealth - although their stealth extends to not telling outsiders how they do it.
Stealth is an Art. Just ask any military outfit. I'd be interested to hear what you have to share, Jue, but I won't infringe on your privacy.
Millie
May 31 2004, 01:53 PM
I have no wish to be ninja or anything else. No wish to play parlour tricks either.
Jue, yes I have an email addy but I am relutant to post it in full view. I have no desire to see my mail box flooded with jibes.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 01:54 PM
Ninjas don't use stealth all that often actually.
and the age old fantasy about their secrets is long gone.
As i said I have done ninjitsu for about a year and a half and I have learned much.
As for privacy I don't give a shit as long as you don't go around telling people I have a hairy butt. :D
NightVision
May 31 2004, 03:18 PM
I have moved your other posts into Vampire Connections, Jue & Millie, just tidying up. please continue your email swap there.
http://forum.vampires.com/index.php?showtopic=16088Note for Millie: after you have posted 100 posts, the pm (private messaging) facility becomes available to you. Just a heads up for future reference.
Millie
May 31 2004, 03:21 PM
ok have tried again.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
May 31 2004, 03:24 PM
Apologies dear admin.
Millie I'm posting in the link above ok?
NightVision
May 31 2004, 03:25 PM
Thank you both. :) may you find what you seek .
Millie
May 31 2004, 04:17 PM
TY nightvision. eternally grateful.
The Shearer
Jun 1 2004, 04:54 AM
To answer some questions raised here...
RPG = Role Play Games, right? I do not play games.
Millie, sadly I cannot help you without a meet. Something that is not possible. There are other references to that of which I speak. You must seek them out, or find someone who knows.
Invisibility by wearing green? I suspect you are being ironic, however you may ask the Military about this. However, no matter how good your camouflage against your background, the eyes are the give away. Hence the technique
Photographs? A good question. On the rare photographs I have seen of myself in this state, I appear as if I am in motion. You would recognise a human form, but no detail. I have no explanation for this, since I do not really understand the science of photography.
And finally, 666 – to walk in the sun is indeed a fine thing. But every now and then, can you tell me you would not find the capability to not have others see you useful? If not, enjoy your life in the sun.
There appears a degree of scepticism here. I’m sorry, but that which I describe can be achieved with a little effort. Regard me a s a man describing electricity to someone who has never encountered it?
Jue-Eldir Arowane
Jun 1 2004, 07:01 AM
Shearer : I AM in the military hence my techniques. :D
Divine Sin
Jun 1 2004, 07:49 AM
Invisiblility is all about perception.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
Jun 1 2004, 07:53 AM
I know.
Perception can be misled also.
and it's funny as hell sometimes too. :D
The Shearer
Jun 1 2004, 11:23 AM
reality is also about perception
to those who doubt, I would say, look to the likes of David Blaine
he is billed as a magician, but is not in the truest sense
yet he can make the impossible happen by altering our perception of what we see
NightVision
Jun 1 2004, 11:27 AM
QUOTE (The Shearer @ Jun 1 2004, 10:54 AM)
Photographs? A good question. On the rare photographs I have seen of myself in this state, I appear as if I am in motion. You would recognise a human form, but no detail. I have no explanation for this, since I do not really understand the science of photography.
You could post that...but the rotten tomatoes of sheer scepticism would just say you moved.
Thank you for sharing your experience, all the same.
Jue-Eldir Arowane
Jun 1 2004, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (The Shearer @ Jun 1 2004, 06:23 PM)
reality is also about perception
to those who doubt, I would say, look to the likes of David Blaine
he is billed as a magician, but is not in the truest sense
yet he can make the impossible happen by altering our perception of what we see
That is what stealth is ALL about.
The altering of the perception of the humans eye or mind.
It's like making shadows seem like monsters if you think about it.
Barnabas
Jun 2 2004, 01:04 AM
:meow: I still say you are bleedin nuts...and no matter how you cut it...David Blaine is classified as a magician...in olden days maybe a sorcerer. But he still is a man who performs tricks...and nothing more!!!
The Shearer
Jun 2 2004, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (nightstalker6758 @ Jun 2 2004, 01:04 AM)
:meow: I still say you are bleedin nuts
no, bleeding nuts is my hobby. It is not what I am
but you make my point well
the technique I discuss is not a spell. It does not defy the laws of physics
it is a method. Call it a trick, call it Donald Duck if it'll make you happy, it is the sort of thing practiced by the likes of David Blaine. A clever man but not, in my view, a Magician
Millie
Jun 2 2004, 11:33 AM
I think may who have read your post Shearer have misunderstood your words totally. I'm very new here and I thought I would fine many people here who would be prepared to open their minds to new ideas .. and old ones.
Please don't anyone take that the wrong way, but I think you have all grasped the wrong end of Shearers stick.
Take time to re-read what he wrote in his initial post, he does not claim to become the invisible man, only to escape the eyes of others.
Shearer, I think both Jue Eldir and I grasp your meaning.
I have found a teacher now as well btw. ^_^
NightVision
Jun 2 2004, 12:05 PM
I'm completely in agreement, as it happens. To quote my favourite phrase: Everything is perception. If you know how to manipulate perception, then you are in a position of great power.
passingover
Jun 2 2004, 07:55 PM
QUOTE (The Shearer @ May 28 2004, 09:19 AM)
You must wear neutral colours. Grey, dusky green, dark beige. Not black. Black attracts the eye. Watch a human eye in sudden darkness? The pupil expands. This is a trigger.
You must learn to shut down all but essential functions, quickly. To be very still and breathe in a wave like rhythm. Study of Zazen, the Zen meditation technique will assist.
Learn to unfocuss the eyes. Gently let them cross and hold this position. At first, you may experience a mild headache, but with perseverance, over time, this will become a natural move
These are the basics
Like anything worth learning, this will take time and devotion. Time and devotion that may be well rewarded.
Do you practice Ninjutsu by any chance?
Jue-Eldir Arowane
Jun 2 2004, 09:44 PM
I do. Been at it for one and a half year now.
Barnabas
Jun 3 2004, 07:45 PM
:meow: I am still not in agreeance that at the beginning he was talking about perception...I am still under the perception that he was talking mytical forces...and changed his mind when I and others jumped on him for it. I do though challenge the rest of you to show me how you came to this conclusion that he was talking perception.. If you can do that I will admit that I was wrong...OK
NightVision
Jun 4 2004, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (The Shearer @ May 28 2004, 10:19 AM)
Something humans can achieve by virtue of practice, diligence and a purity of body.
You cannot become invisible and fly around the place. Aerodynamics are against you, sadly.
Ok, fair enquiry. Not that I like to pick posts to bits to clarify the impression the whole post gives, but here, especially, I don't see any indication of the mystical. If anything, I see it as a rather more practical post than the kind you would normally see when dealing with such issues.
It is very difficult to pick up intentions on the internet when you only have verbal cues, however. I'm sure if the Shearer has any other agenda, time spent here will reveal it, regardless. For that reason I don't like to jump all over first posts unless they are offensive.
It is perfectly possible to be 'unseen'. Although if we are going to quibble over terminology I allow that it is not quite the same as being 'invisible'.
Lycaon
Jun 6 2004, 11:03 AM
"The Shearer" - if you don't mind me asking, how did you stumble across this technique? Surely it wasn't just pure chance that you went out one day in certain colours, went crosseyed and suddenly realised that people were paying you little or no attention?
What's the theory behind it?
I think if you answer that, it'll help nightstalker understand (plus I'm curious myself)
passingover
Jun 9 2004, 10:36 AM
QUOTE (Jue-Eldir Arowane @ Jun 3 2004, 02:44 AM)
I do. Been at it for one and a half year now.
Cool. I'm just in some ways "familiar" with it. What type or specific way do you follow? I almost remember the reccomended way this person gave as being taught as a technique, that is why I asked them. :)
Jue-Eldir Arowane
Jun 9 2004, 10:51 AM
I'm not following a specific way yet.
Just basics.
angelyn
Jun 9 2004, 11:11 PM
I quite enjoy The Shearer's posts....though, invisibility, could turn out very lonley. I prefer body swapping. And I've often wondered if Mr. Blaine was performing witchcraft? A Warlock? Still not sure...But if he truly reads minds, I am sure he'd have to take a bath after reading mine ....
Barnabas
Jun 10 2004, 06:53 PM
:meow: Doubtful...from what I have seen he is a very skilled magician...not a witch. I am sure he probably would have claimed to have been so if he were. It seems to me that those types like to place the recognition on their beliefs if they are so inclined.
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