Viktr
May 24 2004, 10:25 AM
In a battle between Vampires and Werewolves (such as the movie Underworld) who do you think would win?
Eliza
May 24 2004, 10:30 AM
Vampires. They are so much wiser.
Viktr
May 24 2004, 10:59 AM
I do believe that a vampire would win in a battle with the villianous werewolf, however it's come to my attention that there are some people who would rather see a battle between a blood vampire and a Windigo. Now would do you think would win between those choices???
Eliza
May 24 2004, 11:11 AM
Thats a harder question. I still say the vampire. The Windigo is also destroyed by fire but the Windigo is not immortal some say it is like a werewolf.
Viktr
May 24 2004, 11:19 AM
Thanks for your response. I have about a 50-50 on the vampire vs. windigo. I've always been for vampires but some people are persistant on believing a windigo would annilate a vampire.
Eliza
May 24 2004, 11:37 AM
Its a good subject. Werewolves and vampires always seem to be compared. In the new film Van Helsing, Dracula rules over werewolves but the only way to kill Dracula is for him to be bitten by a werewolf. So a werewolf has to turn agaist him.
Your new like me?
How about Warlocks?
Viktr
May 24 2004, 11:48 AM
Great point. Vampires are always being compared. thats the reason for me asking the question.
Yes unfortunatly I havn't discovered this website until just recently. You can call me Victor if you want.
I think that a warlock would take a vampire.
Viktr
May 24 2004, 11:49 AM
Great point. Vampires are always being compared. thats the reason for me asking the question.
Yes unfortunatly I havn't discovered this website until just recently. You can call me Victor if you want.
I think that a warlock would take a vampire.
Rhuen
May 24 2004, 02:58 PM
Like I said in this exact same discussion about a month ago in an identicle thread. it depends on the type of vampire and werewolf fighting, in mythology a werewolf was a person that turned completly into a wolf "not a hybrid of human and wolf"
and in mythology a vampire is a blood sucking not too smart corpse or ghost. and the windigo is a nine foot tall big foot with attitude and special powers.
so useing the myths a Windigo could take out a vampire and a werewolf together at the same time with out much trouble.
lastat 2
May 24 2004, 07:38 PM
Can't vampires turn into werewolves?
Saturn9
May 24 2004, 08:26 PM
Werewolf.
Don't buy that brains over brawn bullshit, sheer strength and quickness would overcome.
Even in Rhuen's case...ESPECIALLY in Rhuen's case because the vampires hold no intellegence.
Yes, lastat 2, if you want a vampire to turn into a werewolf, you can have a vampire that turns into a werewolf, that's why they call it fiction.
nik451164
May 24 2004, 08:36 PM
werewolf would distroy vampires if they got a hold of them but vampires are way to fast and smart to get caught by one so i think it would be a 80:20 fight vampires winning
Rhuen
May 24 2004, 09:29 PM
the vampire quikness is from fiction much more than myth, the vast majority of mythical vampires are very slow moveing "feeding only from sleeping victims" so in the mythical sense a werewolf "which was different than a wolf in that it could eat a whole horse in a few minutes and kill one "makeing one werewolf as strong as a pack of wolves and retaining human intellegence"
the vampire is very stupid, slow, and driven by one force "thirst" so if they met "they likely wouldn't bother with each other "the vampire isn't fresh meat" and the werewolf isn't human. but if they did fight I would bet the werewolf to easily disasemble the vampire
unless its the ghost vampire in which case the fight would end with the werewolf going "screw it, I have better things to do" and the vampire going "what was that all about?" as it can only feed from humans in this case.
Hamato
May 25 2004, 08:07 PM
Hey look at my pic what do ya think i am gona say. I'd say 50 50 just cuz vamps are old doesnt mean the know how to fight, but with werewolfs ( in some German version) the werewolf loses its human aspect and can be easily tricked. It really matters what version of myths you choose to fight against.
Beholden
May 29 2004, 08:14 PM
Going with the current crop of fiction, I'd say the outcome is based on the Vampire's age. A newly risen vamp might be rendered peice to piece by a Lycan, while an older, Master Vamp would probably be close to invincible. Since the majority of vamp stories and all have the common theme of the vampire's powers increasing with his age, and they can live forever while a wereolf can not, I'd say that a 1000 year old vamp will destroy any werewolf.
The movie underworld (crap fiction that it was) had the weres tearing up vamps left and right, while the master Victor waded through the weres and made short work of them.
I've always been more partial to the Vamps, so my opinion might be biased.
Hamato
Jun 4 2004, 10:15 PM
Ya if you wanna go with vampires having super powers. Like i said
[QUOTE]It really matters what version of myths you choose to fight against
Saturn9
Jun 4 2004, 10:53 PM
QUOTE (Beholden @ May 29 2004, 08:14 PM)
The movie underworld (crap fiction that it was) had the weres tearing up vamps left and right, while the master Victor waded through the weres and made short work of them.
Uhm...just a question, if Underworld was crap lore (which it was), then why did you just refer to werewolves as "Lycans"?
Alderac
Jun 5 2004, 03:21 AM
will some one tell me whats going on?
Eridun
Jun 5 2004, 01:34 PM
Saturn9 - it might be because the Anita Blake series refers to them as "lycan" all the time.
I don't think Underworld was all that bad - look at it from a purely comic book/action flick stand point base totally out of someone's imagination.
beside... this is all personal opinion after all people.
as for my vote.... I think it'd be 50:50 -- they're both thirsty, hungry predators with a lust for flesh and blood on their minds.
but honestly... I don't see a vampire and a were getting into it unless one tried to take the other's food. and that comes down to professional courtesy there - why take another's steak when there are so many to choose from?
Saturn9
Jun 5 2004, 11:57 PM
QUOTE (Eridun @ Jun 5 2004, 01:34 PM)
Saturn9 - it might be because the Anita Blake series refers to them as "lycan" all the time.
It's a silly term either way.
All it means is "wolf", so you're only refering to them as wolves.
Like refering to them as "weres", it means man.
Jolly_Roger
Jun 6 2004, 01:26 AM
Why would vampires and werewolves fight?
I mean, they would be more downtroden that an Islamian Sufi pacifist, and perhaps, they could make an alliance, to, I don´t know, open a theme park or something that could actually make money, instead of killing each other...
Lycaon
Jun 6 2004, 11:27 AM
If we're looking at fiction - I thought the Van Helsing plot was a very good way of putting it - but I don't see how a vampire could make werewolves do his bidding unless he had very strong powers - so it's a little bit contradictory that a werewolf with so little control over himself in the presence of a strong minded vampire could just kill him so easily. But there we go, Van Helsing was hard as fuck.
suicidal-dream
Jun 6 2004, 02:16 PM
i think it would depend on the vampire and werewolf because if you go by the rules that they get stronger with age i suppose a vampire could easily beat a werewolf and vise versa and a new one with not much idea of vampires/werewolfs weakness can get killed easy. Also i would say it depended on what weapons each side developed, just like the film.
mmbg
Jun 7 2004, 06:19 AM
Vampires.They are both wise and strong.
Throne777
Jun 7 2004, 12:13 PM
My vote goes to Godzilla.... :devilflip:
Jolly_Roger
Jun 8 2004, 03:39 AM
QUOTE (throne777 @ Jun 7 2004, 12:13 PM)
My vote goes to Godzilla.... :devilflip:
Infidel!
Mothra would kick his ass!!!
Throne777
Jun 8 2004, 03:53 PM
QUOTE (Jolly_Roger @ Jun 8 2004, 09:39 AM)
Mothra would kick his ass!!!
Yeah that's what you think, I CHOOSE YOU SKELETOR!
Angelous
Jun 15 2004, 10:12 PM
I think a vampire would win.
But then again... who really knows.
Today... there are so many people who claim to be vampires and werewolves, why not, at the next meet-up... invite a few random werewolves, and host a battle. Hehe, just playing... although that would be interesting.
Creature Feature
Jun 16 2004, 12:45 AM
"Who would win between a vampire and a werewolf?'
Silly question, really. Anymore, all a vampire is is a geeky kid with no friends in school. They're generally 15-17, skinny, and have the strength of someone who obtains no regular exercise.
A werewolf is simply the same as above with a body hair problem.
So who would win? Well, they'd begin by calling each other posers, then slap fighting untill they're out of breath, and then I'd beat the shit out of both of them for being overtly stupid.
So, between a vampire and a werewolf, I'd win.
contessabathory
Jun 16 2004, 11:44 PM
vampiric age old experience vs wolfian brawn. it's a tough call, but i only say vampires because that they are capable of thought during the hunt, whereas werewolves only sense the hunt.
Hamato
Jun 19 2004, 04:24 PM
Hey lets stop being geeks and call it a draw they are both basically equals. (depending what myth you choose)
contessabathory
Jun 20 2004, 08:17 PM
QUOTE (creature_feature @ Jun 16 2004, 12:45 AM)
So, between a vampire and a werewolf, I'd win.
only slightly up yourself, aren't you?
Rhuen
Jun 21 2004, 10:42 AM
QUOTE (Hamato @ Jun 19 2004, 04:24 PM)
Hey lets stop being geeks and call it a draw they are both basically equals. (depending what myth you choose)
very true. if we take a welsh werewolf against a basic Nosferatu, the werwolf wins.
but a Neuntoter against a germanic werewolf and the werewolf gets sick and dies from the plague the Neuntoter carries.
so the versions make all the difference.
kindred_lunatix
Jun 22 2004, 07:28 PM
Great, what an unending question this one is...
Werewolves will win on a duel between a vampire
or a Garou vs. a coterie of 5 stupid fledglings.
However, a vampire (like a fully-developed brujah, or even a maxed-out Nosferatu), would be at par, or even topple a garou.
An assamite you ask? Here's a goodie. Werewolves don't have the chance. These hired hands can kill anything (and I mean, anything!) Even Moonbeasts like the Garou.
Gangrel doesn't want to talk about it. They are at peace with these Man-wolves. :ph34r:
Ania Calliostro
Jun 22 2004, 08:02 PM
haha this topic again well i agree that it matters what myth is choosen, or i'd say go with creature_feature's idea :lol:
contessabathory
Jun 23 2004, 10:34 PM
okay, i can see where you guys are going with this. for curiousity, is there a book out with all the different breeds of vamps, wolves, etc?
Rhuen
Jun 24 2004, 12:08 PM
yes. unfortunatly I can't remember the name of the book. but they may be seperate books and many books with different versions.
also "kindred" those sound like Roleplaying names and descriptions.
escpecially lines like "maxed out Nosferatu"
really so a person born out of wedlock with a Moroii or gypsy father who lives a normal "all though out cast" human life and dies only to rise as a but ugly monster that has tendency to both feed on and have orgies with humans can be "maxed out"
"Gangrel" WWE "prevoiusly "WWF" wrestler who dresses like a lifestyler "vampire" basically his gimmik on that fake wrestling show.
FrozenFire
Jun 24 2004, 02:00 PM
Vampires would survive...Of course! Vamps never die!
Werewolves deserve to die!
Hamato
Jun 24 2004, 11:33 PM
Rhuen I love your lil brain thnx for agreeing
Vessius
Jun 26 2004, 09:15 PM
A vampire would most definatley win especially since they are immortal and extremely strong... the only way in which a werewolf would win is if by chance he happened to find the vampire during the day and expose him to sunlight.
Creature Feature
Jun 26 2004, 09:46 PM
..
Vessius
Jun 27 2004, 02:01 AM
dosent everything that has to do with vampires depend on what the authors write
Liod
Jun 27 2004, 05:16 AM
I would actually have to go for the werewolf. Vampires are generally portrayed as stronger than humans, yes, but werewolves has that raw animal strength and fierceness. Even the strongest man should be reluctant to take on an animal.
corinthyn
Jun 27 2004, 03:00 PM
great question and answers...
I don't know who I would vote for to win in a fight between vampires and werewolves. They both have there strong points. It sure would be a good fight though.
But as with all other things I would have to vote on the vampires winning, I just think they are smarter and would have to win
:imu:
chief
Jun 29 2004, 01:14 PM
Let me say hello to all, I'm new to the board.
Let's all remember that fiction (vampire/werewolf) in all it's forms, is for a lack of a better word bollocks (there are better words, I just don't give a rats ass). Don't get me wrong fiction is entertaining and captivating. But come on, saying one fictional thing is better than another is both pointless and retarded. What about myths, legends, etc. My answer would have to be old bollocks. Some geezer (old probably) or possibly some young scribe (oooo oldie language). Basically some nutter (modern equivalent some drunk wanker in the gutter on a friday night) walks his way, he might yell something "stay back ye fiend". Next day in his study room (crap shack if you will) writing of his encounter with an animal like man aka werewolf (doesn't want his fellow scribes know he got pissed on by some tanked up dude). An as 99% of people could neither write or read, back then. Thus it must be true, cuz he can write, "core looky at the nice pic-ki-chers" said Bob, "That got’ta be true" said Paul and so on. Give it a few hundred years +dust and what do you get, that’s right old bollocks.
So what does this all mean, well fiction/myths is entertaining and enjoyable. Making it seem important. BOLLOCKS!!
Liod
Jun 29 2004, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (chief @ Jun 29 2004, 06:14 PM)
Let me say hello to all, I'm new to the board.
Let's all remember that fiction (vampire/werewolf) in all it's forms, is for a lack of a better word bollocks (there are better words, I just don't give a rats ass). Don't get me wrong fiction is entertaining and captivating. But come on, saying one fictional thing is better than another is both pointless and retarded. What about myths, legends, etc. My answer would have to be old bollocks. Some geezer (old probably) or possibly some young scribe (oooo oldie language). Basically some nutter (modern equivalent some drunk wanker in the gutter on a friday night) walks his way, he might yell something "stay back ye fiend". Next day in his study room (crap shack if you will) writing of his encounter with an animal like man aka werewolf (doesn't want his fellow scribes know he got pissed on by some tanked up dude). An as 99% of people could neither write or read, back then. Thus it must be true, cuz he can write, "core looky at the nice pic-ki-chers" said Bob, "That got’ta be true" said Paul and so on. Give it a few hundred years +dust and what do you get, that’s right old bollocks.
So what does this all mean, well fiction/myths is entertaining and enjoyable. Making it seem important. BOLLOCKS!!
Hello chief, and welcome to the board.
That was definately an interesting, and in some ways refreshing viewpoint... I personally agree a hypothetical discussion like this may seem pointless, though I would avoid using a word like 'retarded'...as this thread hold some quite intelligent reasoning behind the answers given.
You're most likely right in your theory on the origin of myths, and legends, though many of the legends can have more than one cause. Shapeshifters, for instance, werewolves, or werebears, most likely originated from the belief that killing a wolf, or a bear single-handed, and then wearing the fur would grant them the powers of the animal. Vampire myths...well, I can't even begin counting the possible origins of those legends.
It is hardly on-topic though...so allow me to ask you this: Given the hypothetical situation that you would, say, write a story about a werewolf and a vampire fighting, who would you let win? And why?
chief
Jun 29 2004, 03:55 PM
Let fate decide, for who I'm I to decide such a pre-ordained battle of 2 mythical creatures. As long as they have popcorn at the snack stand at half time, I good.
“Man, these are some pre-mo seats”
Tindomerel
Jun 30 2004, 11:10 AM
Ppl ppl we're talking about brute force here! A vampire may be stonger than the average human, but their body would still be of human design. Their main killing weapon is their bite. Put that up against a werewolf, who's got teeth, claws and a body better designed for close combat, and let's face it. The vamp is gonna get ripped apart.
If it was a contest of wills or a battle where it didn't involve one on one fighting and the vampire might win, but other than that, the chance is next to none without a weapon of somekind.
If you gave the vamp a knife, the tables might be turned.
I'd still rather be a vamp than a werewolf though.....
Rhuen
Jun 30 2004, 12:03 PM
"Its the thread that never ends, its keep going on and on my friends"
:lol:
with the literally hundreds of variations and people doing the mix and match of types in their heads as to what they call a vampire or werewolf, there is litterally no chance of concensus here,
how about we match of the same types.
Brazilian tiny wimpy werewolf against giant carriage tipping welsh werewolf
little weak basic vampyre nothing more than a blood sucking corpse against Super-humanly powerd Kuang-Shi.
their is alot between and stronger and even weaker tham these, so its not an easy yes or no answear as to who would win.
Scarred_Wings
Jun 30 2004, 12:12 PM
Vampires rule he who's a liccan is a fool!
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