Sire
May 23 2004, 04:10 PM
I'm fascinated by Creation Myths. If you have time and know some that you're particularly interested in.. please share them with us.
Saturn9
May 23 2004, 04:25 PM
I always liked the Haida myth of Raven taking pebbles and dropping them into the Pacific to make land.
Where he got the pebbles, I have no idea.
Rhuen
May 23 2004, 09:03 PM
its interesting subject I put creatiopn myths in two catagories
flat earth:
and
Round Earth:
in some the myths imply an island and others show the world as round "a drop from a spear, a bead of devine sweat ect...
I can't remember any names right now but I will post when I get the names straight.
valerya
May 23 2004, 09:58 PM
i took an english mythology class last year and we studied many different creation myths. i would have to look for my notes but i can give you plenty of information. the subjects i like most are the stories that occured DURING the mythology era, where myth and magic were still alive and strong.
Liod
May 24 2004, 04:07 AM
Norse Creation Myth:
At the beginning of time there was nothing but a great void called Ginnungagap, a void filled with powerful magic forces.
Long before the earth was formed there existed Niflheimr, the dark misty world of death. In Niflheimr was a well called Hvergelmir (literally, "roaring kettle") from which eleven rivers flowed.
In the south lay the blazing hot world of Múspell over which the giant Surtr ("black") held sway.
The rivers whipped by showers pouring out of Niflheimr froze and layer after layer of ice piled up in Ginnungagap. However, sparks and glowing embers flying out of Múspell met the hoarfrost and the ice, and from the slush and heat life emerged in the shape of an anthropomorphic primeval being who received the name of Ymir, or Aurgelmir.
From this primal giant sprang the dreadful brood of the frost giants, whom he engendered by sweating a male and a female from under his left arm and begetting a son from one of his legs with the other.
The melting rime taks the shape of a cow, Auðhumla (literally, "rich hornless cow"). This cow feeds Ymir with the milk flowing from her udders. Auðhumla gets her own food by licking the salty ice blocks, but in doing so, she gives shape to another primal being, Búri, who begets a son, Borr. Borr marries Bestla, the daughter of the giant Bolþorn (literally, "evil thorn").
Borr and his wife have three sons: Óðinn (Odin), Vili (Vilje, means will), and Vé. When the three divine brothers kill the giant Ymir, the flow of blood gushing from his wounds drowns all the frost giants (hrímþursar), except Bergelmir, who escapes mysteriously with his family to continue the race.
Now the gods set about building the earth. The body of Ymir is carried into the middle of the great void; his blood forms the sea and the lakes, his flesh the earth, and his skull the sky (with a dwarf at each corner, as if to uphold it), his hair the trees, his brain the clouds, his bones the mountains, and so on. Sparks from Múspell forms the stars and heavenly bodies, and the gods order their movements, determining the divisions of time. The earth was circular, surrounded by a vast ocean. In the middle of the earth the gods established Miðgarðr, a residence for mankind, strengthened by a fence made from the eyebrows of Ymir, and they gave land on the shore for the giants to settle down. The next task of the gods was the creation of man, which is related in the myth of Askr and Embla (Voluspá 17-18). Finally, they built Ásgarðr (Asgard), their own residence.
Myth
May 27 2004, 09:26 AM
Egypt myth
before the goods came to be bee ther was only the dark, whatery abbys called the Nun. the chaotic energies containd the potesial of all living things. the spirit of the creators was present in these primal waters but ther was no place in which to take shape.
the destructive force of chaos was embodied by the great serpent Apep or Apophis.
the biginning of time was when the first land rist from Nun. the primal mound provided a place fore the first deity to come in to exsistence. he sometimes took the forme of a bird, a falcon, a heron, or a yellow wagtail, which preched on the mount.
an alternative image of creaton was the primeval lotus, which rouse out ot the waters and opened to reveal an infat god. the first deity was equipped withe several divine powers, such as HU (Authoriative Utterance), Sia (perception), and Heka (magic). using these powers, he created order out of chaos. this divine order was personifide by the godess Maat, the daughter of the sun god.
the divine order was in constant dangar of sinking back in to the chaos of Nun.
the first deity became consvious of being alone and created gods and men in his own image and a world fore them to inhabit. ditis were said to come from the sweat of the sun god and humans from the his tears.
Divine Creators of Egypt
The egyptians possessed four main creator deitis.
Amon-Ra, Atum, Khnum and Ptah
MesPtah the Doorkeeper
Jun 4 2004, 11:08 PM
The Aztecs believed there were four previous creations, and that we are living in the fifth (or Fifth Sun). The Fifth Sun came into being when the twin gods Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca descended from the heavens with the earth goddess Tlaltecuhtli. She appeared in the form of a toad with jaguar fangs and claws and snapping mouths at the joints of her arms and legs. Seeing her floating in the primordial waters, the two gods transformed themselves into giant serpents and tore her in half. One half made the new earth, the other half they took back to the heavens, where it brought forth many gods.
When these gods saw the mutilated body of the goddess, they tried to console her. To repay her for her sacrifice, they decreed all fruit would originate from her body. Her hair and skin would spring the flowers, trees, and all manner of plant life. Her eyes would produce springs and ponds. From her mouth - rivers and caverns. From her nose, valleys and mountains.
Rhuen
Jun 5 2004, 05:31 AM
Japanese creation story:
in the beginning there was but void, and in this void the ancient promodial Kami did exist.
but life was boreing for these great beings so Izanagi-No-Kami. swirled his great spear in the waters of the void and from the tip a drop fell and this drop was the earth. and here the Kami could dwell "I can't remember the rest"
but thats the basic beginning.
Rhuen
Jun 6 2004, 08:54 PM
the greeks have many versions of their myths "like any relegeon" the shorter version is often taught in schools as they want to focuse on the olympians who don't feature as much in the classic origen myths "and some things are different in them like the origen of Aphrodite."
In the Beggining there was but void and Khaos the great being of this void a being with out gender. Khaos became lonely so willed into being a mate and three monsters to keep it company the mate was Nyx "the darkness" which had the form of a great black bird. and the three monsters "Herodus, Sylvios, and Demiurge "also called Demigorgon". The monsters were terrfying in form and this displeased Nyx so Khaos created a fourth great being "Sol" also called "Helios" "a side note these two names are often switched between this being and the Titan of the sun" Sol the golden winged "his image was like an angel" Sol and Herodus powers were at ends with each other "Life and Death" so Khaos created for its children a world for them to play with and use their powers on. This world was give life Gaea and the sky uranus. as well as a great sea Oceanus were created. and life flurished upon them and life was ended as well thus Sol and Herodus had their own ways at the same time.
however there was no place for the souls of the dead to reside between lives so they took up space in the void, Khaos and Nyx would have none of this so they had two daughters Eubynome and Styx, Eubynome created a paradise ontop of Mt. Olympis and Styx created an underworld. however Eubynome did not like the dead thus all were sent to the underworld.
Later Gaea and Uranus had children, first the Titans which were beutiful and than many ugly monsters who uranus locked away into the underworld.
after this Humanity came into being and the world was a paradise which the Titans oversaw.
Eubynome created Humanity but her son Ophion "the great serpent" convinced them he had created them and taught them how to build house thus destroying the paradise which Eubynome had created so Eubynome banished Ophion into the great sea. She could not stand to see her paradise ruined so she left the earth never to return to it.
after this the story gets more familier with Cronos takeing over after peircing Uranus' heart, the black blood spilled over the earth giving rise to more monsters and oddly enough "Aphrodite was born from this blood as well".
after this is when Cronus and Raea have children and Cronus swallos them as it was prophesid his own children would destroy him. Rhaea hid away the youngest son instead giveing Cronus a stone to swallow this was Zeus. after he grew up He freed the monsters from the underworld, as a gift the six armed Cyclopses gave zeus the power of lightning and together they battled the titans Zeus cut open Cronus freeing the other gods and together either destroyed or subjicated the rest of the titans. and thus the oldest of the gods took different jobs Hera became Zeus' wife, Hades took the job of watching over the Underworld "its not explained where styx went" Zeus took the sky, and Poseiden the ocean.
amanda mc
Jun 9 2004, 07:09 PM
Not really a creation myth of the world but interesting.
Choctaw creation myth
The Chioctaw who remain in Mississippi tell this story as an explanation of how they came to the land where they live now and of how Naniah Waiya Mound came to be.Two brothers,Chata and Chicksah led the original people from a land in the far west that had ceased to prosper.
The people traveled for a long time,guided by a magical pole.Each night,when the people stopped to camp,the pole was placed in the ground and in the morning the people would travel in the direction in which the pole leaned.
After traeling for an extremely long time,they finally came to a place where the pole remained upright.In this place ,they laid to rest the bones of thier ancestors,which they had carried in buffalo sacks from the original land in the west.The mound grew out that great burial.After the burial,the brothers discovered that the land could not support all the people.
Chicksah took half the people and departed to the North and eventually became the Chickasaw tribe.Chatah and the others remained near the mound and are now known as theChoctaw.The elders of the tribe claim to this day that the ground near the mound and the cave are sacred and that they will fall ill and die if they are away from the land too long.
baggypants303
Jun 30 2004, 03:20 PM
Has anyone thought of it this way...
There is no creation myth, we've just BEEN alive. The first of us, were the Gods (called Gods by us only because they were the first of us, not because they created us), who reproduced to create in essence, all of us today. Now you may be asking: Who created the first of us? What if we don't need to really be CREATED, what if we just existed. Time is only a fabric of reality, basically, there is no time, yes you age, but that isn't because of time. You age because your soul is getting bored of being stuck in this body, it wants to revolutionize itself and enter a different body, to perceive different things.
RECAP: We have just been existent, there was no creation, and there is no death. When we assumingly "DIE", it is just our souls becoming bored and wanting to enter a new lifeform to experience different things, and in essence, if our soul or our conscience wanted to stay in the same body, we would never die....This would also mean that your neighbor could be a God or Goddess.
Rhuen
Jun 30 2004, 03:30 PM
sounds like a myth I have heard a few times, from Japan, China, and India, that gods can choose to be born as mortals or animals in-order to experience things from that vantage point sometimes haveing memories sometimes not, just as some christians believe fallen angels are trapped in the bodies of humans doomed to re-incarnate forever."but this thread really is for creation myths and this is a little off topic, "not being a story about the origen of everything from some culture and all."
Liod
Jul 13 2004, 11:46 AM
Enuma Elish, the Babylonian Creation Myth:When on high the heaven had not been named,
Firm ground below had not been called by name,
When primordial Apsu, their begetter,
And Mummu-Tiamat, she who bore them all,
Their waters mingled as a single body,
No reed hut had sprung forth, no marshland had appeared,
None of the gods had been brought into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies determined--
Then it was that the gods were formed in the midst of heaven.
Lahmu and Lahamu were brought forth, by name they were called.
Before they had grown in age and stature,
Anshar and Kishar were formed, surpassing the others.
Long were the days, then there came forth.....
Anu was their heir, of his fathers the rival;
Yes, Anshar's first-born, Anu, was his equal.
Anu begot in his image Nudimmud.
This Nudimmud was of his fathers the master;
Of broad wisdom, understanding, mighty in strength,
Mightier by far than his grandfather, Anshar.
He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
(...)
http://www.cresourcei.org/enumaelish.html
Robin
Jul 13 2004, 12:29 PM
wow that sounds so magical...Clear you always give us the most interesting things to read...
I appreciate you so much
Liod
Jul 13 2004, 12:34 PM
Thank you. :) I wish I could have posted the entire thing...but it's huge...so you need to click the link for the rest.
Robin
Jul 13 2004, 12:57 PM
such very interesting things...wow.....thank you clear...do you have anymore?? I would love to read them ^_^
Liod
Jul 13 2004, 01:29 PM
I found the Hungarian Creation myth, it was beautiful too...I like it when they go on verse. Again, it's long, so I'll post the beginning, asnd link to the rest.
The seeds of the Holy Sea break out of your shell.
The eternal sea's waves are waving, and rolling.
Their waves are rocking and their foam is hissing.
There is no earth yet anywhere, but in the immeasurable
heights, above in his golden house, sits the great
heavenly father on his golden throne.
He is the old, white haired and white bearded god of eternity.
On his black robes there are thousands of sparkling stars.
Besides him sits his wife, the Great Heavenly mother.
On her white robes (palast) there are thousands of sparkling stars.
She is the ancient material of which everything is made.
They have existed from eternity in the past and will exist
for all eternity to come.
In front of them stands their beautiful golden sunbeam haired son,
the sun god Magyar. The boy asks from his father:
"when shall we create the world of the humans my dear father?".
http://www.stavacademy.co.uk/mimir/hungariancreation.htm
Robin
Jul 13 2004, 01:33 PM
yes..that is beautiful....makes me think of you actuallylol..heavenly..thank you again
Dream Forger
Jul 15 2004, 05:31 AM
wow. Wish I'd found this place before, I know it always been here, but I've neevr really taken the time to look into it. This is a ratehr intresing thread, great for expanding one's knowledge of Earth's old, dead and apst cultures and belifes.
Sorry I have no Creation stories to add.
madnessreinz
Jul 16 2004, 02:45 AM
Impression of The Earth Chronicles by Joseph W. Schultz( The Earth Chronicles is a book series by Zecharia Sitchen)
About four billion years ago, when our solar system was very young, the Earth, as we know it, did not exist. If we were to name the planets, starting from the Sun, we would have Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Mars (Lahmu), Tiamat, Kingu, Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), and Pluto (Gaga). Yes, the Sumerians knew, and had names for, all of the planets in our solar system as recent (or long ago) as six thousand years ago! It was written in one of their early "books" known as The Creation Epic, which predates the Hebrew Genesis by more than a thousand years. The first words of The Creation Epic, given to Gilgamesh, were, Enuma Elish, "When in the heights," just as in the opening of Genesis we read, Berashith, "In the beginning..." Scholars now know that the first few chapters of Genesis are really a condensed version of Enuma Elish. This is important to remember, because the key to understanding pre-historical events (as recorded by the Sumerians) and subsequent historical events, resides with the very personage of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews
At about this time (four billion years ago) a planet, about four times the size of our planet Earth,broke away from another star system in deep space and started a long journey which finally brought it close to our solar system. The name of this planet was Nibiru. It brought with it four moons known as "Winds," the North Wind, the East Wind, the South Wind, and the West Wind. (Later, in extant writings, the Babylonians renamed the planet Nibiru, Marduk, which I will use for the remainder of this narrative.) Our solar system drew Marduk closer and closer because of gravitational forces, until it was trapped, forever to make the long journey to deep space and then back again around our Sun, coming clockwise into our solar system in proximity between Mars and Jupiter. The problem being there was already a planet (about twice the size of our Earth) orbiting between Mars and Jupiter! This planet was called Tiamat by the Sumerians (Teom, by the later Hebrews).
Tiamat had many small moons and one large moon named Kingu. Kingu was in the process of becoming a full planet in its own right, when Marduk and its moons entered the scene. And quite a scene it was! It was the start of a tremendous celestial battle, to be fought out on a titanic scale. As mighty Marduk swung in on an arc that put it on a collision course with Tiamat, Kingu (Tiamat's large moon) came between Marduk and Tiamat. One of the Winds (moons) of Marduk swung into position in front of Marduk to do battle with Kingu. Kingu took the first hit as Marduk's moon struck, and glanced off of Kingu, and now Marduk's moon was heading straight for Tiamat! Tiamat sent out terrible weapons of destruction toward Marduk's Moon, but to no avail...The Moon of Marduk struck Tiamat...cracked the mighty dragon Tiamat like a hard-boiled egg... left her there to languish... to wither in pain and humility: its life all but extinguished. Tiamat awaited her fate... Marduk was now ready (next in line) to strike her... but no! It was a near miss. Would Tiamat be spared?
Yes and no! The Wind (moon) of Marduk had taken the life out of Kingu and all but left Tiamat lifeless. Tiamat now hung, mortally wounded, in space, awaiting her fate.
The God Marduk observed the Dragon Tiamat as He passed by on his first orbit of our Solar System. Then He moved around our Sun and out into deep space whence He came. Thirty six hundred years later He returned... to finish the Titanic battle He had started with Tiamat. Closer and closer He came, sending out lightning and gravitational nets and awesome weapons toward Tiamat. Tiamat responded with the little life She had left in her... but the Fates had decreed Her destiny. Nothing could be done. Marduk would have His will and His way with Her! Nothing short of celestial rape would take place on that awesome day, four billion years ago. Marduk struck Tiamat! Half of Tiamat was pulverized immediately. The Winds (moons) of Marduk fought with the remaining moons of Tiamat, sending them off into space, to return periodically as meteors. Half of Tiamat was shunted into a new orbit (along with the dead Kingu) between Venus and Mars. Yes, we live on a planet that was once twice its size and was once called Tiamat! Earth is the other half of Tiamat. The pulverized part of Tiamat is now the Hammered out Bracelet of biblical nomenclature... in astronomical terms it is called "the asteroid belt." The dead Kingu is now our Moon
sorry its so long but had to post at least that much for you to get the idea...there is much more....
IWillFearNoEvil
Jul 16 2004, 02:53 AM
I don't have any stories to add (though I remember comparing 4 or 5 different creation stories in hs sophmore english... I might try to dig that up.- although it might have been recycled a year ago)
ANYWAY a common thing that I saw was mist. It seems like they often have mist in the very beginning.
*goes to try to find the packet*
Cyrus4377
Apr 17 2005, 05:40 PM
i was thinking of learning imitative magick and i thought it would help if i knew who the various gods of creation are.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:08 PM
Babylonia
The Babylonian creation myth is described in Enûma Elish. It existed in various versions and copies, the oldest dating to at least 1700 B.C.E.
In the poem, the god Marduk arms himself and sets out to challenge the monster Tiamat. Marduk destroys Tiamat, cutting her into two halves which become the Earth and the sky. Later on, he also destroys Tiamat's husband, Kingu, and uses his blood to create mankind. (Reference: A. Leo Oppenheim, Ancient Mesopotamia.)
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:09 PM
China
There are five major views of creation in China:
* The first, and most consistent historically, is that no myth exists. This is not to say there were none existing at all, only that there is no evidence showing an attempt to explain the world's origin.
* The second view is very indirect. It is merely based on a question of a dialog in an earlier reference. The idea in the question implies that the heavens and the earth separated from one another.
* The third view is the one perpetuated by Taoism by the nature of its philosophy. It appears "relatively" late in Chinese history. In it, Tao is described as the ultimate force behind the creation. With tao, nothingness gave rise to existence, existence gave rise to yin and yang, and yin and yang gave rise to everything. Due to the ambiguous nature of this myth, it could be compatible with the first myth (and therefore say nothing). But it could, like its antithesis, be explained in a way to better fit the modern scientific view of the creation of universe.
* The fourth view is the relatively late myth of Pangu. This was an explanation offered by Taoist Monks hundreds of years after LaoZi; probably around +0200 AD. In this story, the universe begins as a cosmic egg. A god named Pangu, born inside the egg, broke it into two halves: The upper half became the sky, the lower half became the earth. As the god grew taller, the sky and the earth grew thicker and were separated further. Finally the god died and his body parts became different parts of the earth.
* The fifth view would be tribal accounts that vary widely and not necessarily connect to a system of belief.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:10 PM
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Followers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe that physical reality (space, matter and/or energy) is eternal, and therefore does not have an absolute origin. The Creator is an architect and organizer of pre-mortal matter and energy, who constructed the present universe out of the raw material.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:10 PM
Egyptian
* Ptah, the self-created god of Fire created also Nun
* Nun - "Primeval Waters" is the Name given to the state of being before The First Time.
* Nit was a creator goddess -- female Nun (Naunet). She created everything with Words. Everything She named came into being.
* Nun and Nit were the father and mother of Ra (Atum) and Sobek (Sobeq, Sebek, Sochet, Suchos) the god of crocodiles,.
* Atum was called a self-created god or the child of Nun.
* Apep -- the enemy of Ra had been created when the Goddess of Weaving, Nit spat into Nun -- her spittle turned into the water serpent -- demon.
* Atum created himself out of the (quantum?) chaos of Nun by an effort of will or by uttering his own name.
* Following his self - creation from Nun , Atum created his children Shu and Tefnut by masturbating.
* Geb was the son of Shu and Tefnut and the brother and husband of Nut.
* Osiris, Isis, Seth and Nephthys were the children of Geb and Nut.
* Osiris is killed and dismembered by Seth, and then searched for and reassembled by Isis who then conceives and gives birth to Horos. The death of Osiris threw the cosmos into chaos.
* Nephthys gave birth to a son named Anubis.
* Anubis was the father of Kebehut, also known as Qébéhout, Kabechet and Kebhut. She is the goddess of freshness and purification. Anubis's wife and Kebehut's mother was goddess Anput (Input, Inpewt, Yineput).
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:10 PM
Hinduism
"The Mahaa-Vishnu, into whom all the innumerable universes enter and from whome they come forth again simply by His breathing process, is a plenary expansion of Krishna. Therefore I worship Govinda, Krishna, the cause of all causes." (Brahma-samhitaa 5.48)
In Hindu philosophy, the existence of the universe is governed by the triumvirate- The Trimurti of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Sustainer) and Shiva (the Destroyer). The sequence of Avatars of Vishnu- the Dasavatara (Sanskrit: Dasa—ten,Avatara—incarnation) is generally accepted by most Hindus today as correlating well with Darwin's theory of evolution, the first Avatar generating from the environment of water:.
Hindus thus do not see much conflict between creation and evolution. An additional reason for this could also be the Hindu concept of cyclic time, in some (4?) billion year cycles (unlike the concept of linear time in many other religions). In fact, time is represented as a wheel- 'Kaala Chakra'- Wheel of Time:.
In Hinduism, nature and all of God's creations are manifestations of Him. He is within and without his creations, pervading the entire universe and also observing it as an external observer. Hence all animals and humans have a divine element in them, that is covered by the ignorance and illusions of material existence.
An interesting point is that though Brahma is considered the Creator, unlike Vishnu and Shiva, there are very few temples of worship for Brahma. The only historic temple of Brahma in India (dating to the 14th Century) is the Jagatpita temple in Pushkar, Rajastan.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:11 PM
Hopi
The Elders say that the first Hopi had chosen to live in this barren desert so that they would always need to pray for rain and thus not lose faith in their ceremonies which maintain their bond with the Mother nature and Creator. They said that the True Hopi people represents the Red race through the authority vested in them by the Creator, Maasaw.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:12 PM
Islam
In Islam all creation is attributed to Allah (the proper name for God in Arabic), the one and only God for Muslims. He is clearly identified as the "first cause" at numerous places in the Qur'an. Three instances follow:
(13:16) … Say: Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Supreme
(57:3) … He is the First and the Last and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He is Knower of all things
(112:1) … Say: He, Allah, is One
(112:2) … Allah is He on Whom all depend
Referring to the first cause argument the Qur'an addresses the non-believers:
(52:35) … Or were they created without a (creative) agency? Or are they the creators?
(52:36) … Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, they are sure of nothing.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:12 PM
Japan
The god Izanagi and goddess Izanami churned the ocean with a spear to make a small island of curdled salt. Two deities went down to the island, mixed there, and bore main islands, deities, and forefathers of Japan.
The first gods summoned two divine beings into existence, the male Izanagi and the female Izanami, and charged them with creating the first land. To help them do this, Izanagi and Izanami were given a spear decorated with jewels, named Amenonuhoko (heavenly spear). The two deities then went to the bridge between heaven and earth, Amenoukihashi (floating bridge of heaven) and churned the sea below with the spear. When drops of salty water fell from the spear, they formed into the island Onogoro (self-forming). They descended from the bridge of heaven and made their home on the island. Eventually they wished to be mated, so they built a pillar called Amenomihashira and around it they built a palace called Yahirodono (the room of eight footsteps?). Iznagi and Izanami circled the pillar in opposite directions, and when they met on the other side Izanami, the female deity, spoke first in greeting. Izanagi didn't think that this was the proper thing to do, but they mated anyhow. They had two children, Hiruko (watery child) and Awashima (island of bubbles) but they were badly-made and are not considered deities.
They put the children into a boat and set them out to sea, then petitioned the other gods for an answer as to what they did wrong. They were told that the male deity should have spoken first in greeting during the marriage ceremony. So Izanagi and Izanami went around the pillar again, and this time when they met Izanagi spoke first and their marriage was then successful.
From their union were born the ohoyashima, or the eight great islands of the Japanese chain:
* Awazi
* Iyo (later Shikoku)
* Ogi
* Tsukusi (later Kyushu)
* Iki
* Tsusima
* Sado
* Yamato (later Honshu)
Note that Hokkaido, Chishima, and Okinawa were not part of Japan in ancient times.
They bore six more islands and many deities. Izanami was killed however by giving birth to the child Kagututi (incarnation of fire) or Ho-Masubi (causer of fire). In anger, Izanagi killed Kagututi. His death also created dozens of deities.
The gods borne from Izanagi and Izanami are symbolic of important aspects of nature and culture, but they are too many to mention here. The fact that it was necessary for the male deity Izanagi to take the lead position while the female deity Izanami had to be second has led to a false perception that this is an implied discrimination against the female gender.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:13 PM
Maya
The Maya of Mesoamerica creation story is recounted in the book "Popol Vuh". In the beginning there is only sky and sea, personified as a trinity of gods called Heart-of-Sky. They decide that they want someone to praise them. They begin by saying "Earth", which appears on demand from the sea. This is followed by mountains and trees, and Heart-of-Sky establish that "our work is going well". Next for creation are the creatures of the forest: birds, deer, jaguars and snakes. They are told to multiply and scatter, and then to speak and "pray to us". But the animals just squawk and howl. They are consequently humbled and will become servants to whoever will worship Heart-of-Sky. So Heart-of-Sky try to make some more respectful creatures from mud. But the results are not great, and they allow the new race to be washed away. They call upon their grandparents, who suggest wood as an appropriate medium. But the wooden people are just mindless robots, so Heart-of Sky set about the destruction of this new race by means of a rain-storm. This causes the animals to turn against the wooden people; even their pots and querns rebel, and crush the peoples' faces. The wooden people escape to the forests and are turned into monkeys. Heart-of-Sky then make yet another attempt at creating a suitably respectful race, and finally succeed by fashioning humans out of maize-corn dough.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:13 PM
Maori
The Maori creation myth tells how heaven and earth were once joined as Ranginui, the Sky Father, and Papatuanuki, the Earth Mother, lay together in a tight embrace. They had many children who lived in the darkness between them. The children wished to live in the light and so separated their unwilling parents. Ranginui and Papauanuk continue to grieve for each other to this day. Rangi's tears fall as rain towards Papatuanuku to show how much he loves her. When mist rises from the forests, these are Papa's sighs as the warmth of her body yearns for him and continues to nurture mankind.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 06:13 PM
Norse
Odin and his brothers used Ymir's body to create the universe. This universe comprises of nine worlds. They placed the body over the void called Ginnungagap. They used his flesh for creating the earth and his blood for the sea. His skull, held up by four dwarves (Nordri North, Sudri South, Austri East, and Vestri West), was used to create the heaven. Then using sparks from Muspelheim, the gods created the sun, moon and stars. While Ymir's eyebrows were used to create a place where the human race could live in; a place called Midgard. The first humans, Ask and Embla, were created from logs.
Rhuen
Apr 17 2005, 07:34 PM
a note their are five Egyption creation stories "that all contradict each other" but were all accepted as part of their belief system.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 07:44 PM
Probably not all at the same time. The Egyptian Empire ruled a long time. There were probably different creation stories promoted by different Pharaohs.
Rhuen
Apr 17 2005, 08:52 PM
yeah they came about at different times, but the people of the Kemetic faith accepted all of them. being able to reconcile contradictions was seen as the ultimate test of faith.
Antares
Apr 17 2005, 08:58 PM
Ingenious. Too bad Western humanity isn't so...evolved.
Liod
Apr 18 2005, 04:28 AM
A thread to cover every creation story there is? That could get interesting. :)
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 10:39 AM
Yeah, when I get some time to myslef, I'll research the creation gods and goddesses.
Cyrus4377
Apr 18 2005, 07:52 PM
thank u everyone im surprised how many replies this thread got (thank u antares for all of the information)
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:19 PM
Celtic
The Dagda
The supreme god of the Celtic pantheon appears to have been the Dagda. This word means the Good God, not good in a moral sense, but good at everything, or all-powerful. The Dagda is a father-figure, a protector of the tribe and the basic Celtic god of whom other male Celtic deities were variants. Celtic gods were largely unspecialised entities, and perhaps we should see them as a clan rather than as a formal pantheon. In a sense, all the Celtic gods and goddesses were like the Greek Apollo, who could never be described as the god of any one thing.
Irish tales depict the Dagda as a figure of immense power, armed with a club and associated with a cauldron. In Dorset there is a famous outline of an ithyphallic giant with a club cut into the chalky soil. While this was probably produced in Roman times, it is very likely that it represents the Dagda. In Gaul, the Dagda appeared in the guise of Sucellos, the striker, equipped with a hammer and cup.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:20 PM
Akamba
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Akamba live in Kenya, Africa. The supreme god is called Asa ("father" also Mwatuangi meaning "distributor," Mulungu meaning "creator" and Mumbi "fashioner") is a merciful and generally benevolent ruler of the spirits.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Anansi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Anansi is one of the most important and famous gods of west African lore. He is a trickster and a culture hero, who acts on behalf of Nyame (his father, the sky god) and brings rain to stop fires and performing other duties for him. His mother is Asase Ya. There are several mentions of Anansi's children. According to some myths his wife is known as Miss Anansi or Mistress Anansi. Eventually, Anansi was replaced by a chameleon.
He is depicted in numerous forms: a spider, a human or combinations thereof.
The Anansi legends are believed to have originated in the Ashanti tribe. They later spread to other Akan groups and then to Jamaica and Suriname.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Quetzalcoatl
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Quetzalcoatl ("feathered snake") is the Aztec name for the Feathered-Serpent deity of ancient Mesoamerica, one of the main gods of many Mexican and northern Central American civilizations.
The name "Quetzalcoatl" literally means quetzal-bird snake or serpent with feathers of the Quetzal (which implies something divine or precious) in the Nahuatl language. The meaning of his local name in other Mesoamerican languages is similar. The Maya knew him as Kukulkán; the Quiché as Gukumatz.
The Feathered Serpent deity was important in art and religion in most of Mesoamerica for close to 2,000 years, from the Pre-Classic era until the Spanish Conquest. Civilizations worshiping the Feathered Serpent included the Olmec, the Mixtec, the Toltec, the Aztec, and the Maya.
The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included human sacrifices, although in other traditions Quetzalcoatl was said to oppose human sacrifice.
Mesoamerican priests and kings would sometimes take the name of a deity they were associated with, so Quetzalcoatl and Kukulcan are also the names of historical persons.
One noted Post-Classic Toltec ruler was named Quetzalcoatl; he may be the same individual as the Kukulcan who invaded Yucatan at about the same time. The Mixtec also recorded a ruler named for the Feathered Serpent. In the 10th century a ruler closely associated with Quetzalcoatl ruled the Toltecs; his name was Topiltzin Ce Acatl Quetzalcoatl. This ruler was said to be the son of either the great Chichimeca warrior, Mixcoatl and the Colhuacano woman Chimalman, or of their descendant.
The Toltecs had a dualistic belief system. Quetzalcoatl's opposite was Tezcatlipoca, who supposedly sent Quetzalcoatl into exile. Alternatively, he left willingly on a raft of snakes, promising to return.
When the Aztecs adopted the culture of the Toltecs, they made twin gods of Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl, opposite and equal; Quetzalcoatl was also called White Tezcatlipoca, to contrast him to the black Tezcatlipoca. Together, they created the world; Tezcatlipoca lost his foot in that process.
The Aztec Emperor Moctezuma II initially believed the landing of Hernán Cortés in 1519 was Quetzalcoatl's return. Cortés played off this belief to aid in his conquest of Mexico.
The exact significance and attributes of Quetzalcoatl varied somewhat between civilizations and through history. Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus). As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally "the lord of the star of the dawn". He was known as the inventor of books and the calendar, the giver of maize corn to mankind, and sometime as a symbol of death and resurrection. Quetzalcoatl was also the patron of the priests and the title of the Aztec high priest.
Most Mesoamerican beliefs included cycles of worlds. Usually, our current time was considered the fifth world, the previous four having been destroyed by flood, fire and the like. Quetzalcoatl allegedly went to Mictlan, the underworld, and created fifth world-mankind from the bones of the previous races (with the help of Cihuacoatl), using his own blood, from a wound in his penis, to imbue the bones with new life.
His birth, along with his twin Xolotl, was unusual; it was a virgin birth, born to the goddess Coatlicue. Alternatively, he was a son of Xochiquetzal and Mixcoatl.
One Aztec story claims Quetzalcoatl was seduced by Tezcatlipoca into becoming drunk and sleeping with a celibate priestess, and then burned himself to death out of remorse. His heart became the morning star (see Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli).
The late Cretaceous pterodactyloid Pterosaur Quetzalcoatlus was named after Quetzalcoatl.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:23 PM
Pangu
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In later Chinese mythology, Pangu or Pan Gu (盤古; pinyin: Pángǔ) was the first living being and the creator of all.
According to creation myth of China, in the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. This chaos began to coalesce into a cosmic egg for eighteen thousand years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu emerged (or woke up) from the egg. Pangu is usually depicted as a primitive, hairy giant clad in furs. Pangu set about the task of creating the world: he separated Yin from Yang with a swing of his giant axe, creating the Earth (murky Yin) and the Sky (clear Yang). To keep them separated, Pangu stood between them and pushed up the Sky. This task took eighteen thousand years, with each day the sky grew ten feet higher, the Earth ten feet wider, and Pangu ten feet taller. In some versions of the story, PanGu is aided in this task by the four most prominent beasts, namely the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon.
After the eighteen thousand years had elapsed, Pangu was laid to rest. His breath became the wind; his voice the thunder; left eye the sun and right eye the moon; his body became the mountains and extremes of the world; his blood formed rivers; his muscles the fertile lands; his facial hair the stars and milky way; his fur the bushes and forests; his bones the valuable minerals; his bone marrows sacred diamonds; his sweat fell as rain; and the fleas on his body carried by the wind became human beings all over the world.
Other variations of Chinese myths say humans were created later either by the goddess Nuwa or by the Jade Emperor.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:25 PM
Egyptian
Creation
Ptah ("The Creator") was a creator god and patron deity of craftsmen and king of the underworld. In some myths, he created Ra as well. Mehturt ("great flood"; also Mehurt, Mehet-Weret, Mehet-uret) is the goddess of the part of the sky where the sun exists, i.e. the places where Ra proceedes across the sky. Amun, "the hidden one", was the "lord of the thrones of the two lands," and more proudly still, "king of the gods.". Ra came from the mound that came from the waters of Nu, or a lotus flower. Ra was the "king of the gods": the rule of heaven belonged to the sun-god, and this identification with Re was only logical for a supreme deity. Aten is the name given to the solar disk, who rejoices in the horizon in his name of the light which is in the sun disk.
Order and chaos
Maàt was the goddess of truth, justice and order. Maat is more of a concept of balance, justice, and truth than an actual deity. In the underworld, Ma'at's headband supplied the Feather of Truth.
Seth was a god of strength, war, storms, foreign lands and deserts in Egyptian mythology. He was closely associated with the god Ash. He was 'great of strength' and caused storms, evils, and confusion. Seth protected the sun (Re) as he journeyed through the land of the dead during the night. Most notably, he fought and killed Apep, the evil serpent of darkness who attacked Re each night
Heaven and earth
Sun
The Ogdoad created the mound that Ra came from and the mound came from the waters of Nu. Ra was the "king of the gods": the rule of heaven belonged to the sun-god, and this identification with Re was only logical for a supreme deity. Aten is a sun god in ancient Egyptian mythology, and represented by the sun's disk.
Moon
Thoth, pronounced "tot", is the Greek name given to Djehuty, the Egyptian god of the moon (lunar deity), wisdom, writing, magic, and measurement of time, among other things. Chons (alternately Khensu, Khons, Khonsu or Khonshu) is also a lunar deity, and a son of Amun and Mut.
Heaven
Hathor ("the house of Horus") was a fertility goddess, positioned as the celestial cow which encircles the sky and hawk god, Hor (Horus). She was also a goddess of royalty. Hathor was portrayed as a cow with a stylized sun between her horns, or a woman wearing a headdress with horns, the stylized sun and sometimes a uraeus. Hathor was both the daughter and wife of Ra. Hathor and Ra once argued, and she left Egypt. Ra quickly decided he missed her, but she changed into a cat that destroyed any man or god that approached. Thoth, disguised, eventually succeeded in convincing her to return. Bat was another goddess of fertility.
Horus was a falcon-god of law and order, later associated with the sun god Ra where they combined especially at Heliopolis and became "Horus of the two horizons", "Horus upon the horizon", and god of the morning sun. Heru-ur (also called Harmerti) was a falcon creator-god who was known for restraining Apep. His eyes were the sun and the moon; during a new moon, he was blind and was "he who has no eyes" and "he who has eyes". While blind, Horus was quite dangerous, sometimes attacking his friends after mistaking them for enemies. He was a son of Geb and Nut and was the patron god of Sekhem/Sokhmît/Letopolis. "Horus the child" was a son of either Ausare and Aset (Osiris and Isis) or Banebdjetet and Hatmehit. Later Horus became absolutely aligned as a son of the dead body of Osiris and Isis (alternatively: he emerged from Saosis' acacia tree). Horus was Osiris' bodyguard in the underworld, Duat. A war between Set and Horus was fought, lasting for eighty years. Horus was the father of the four gods associated with the canopic jars of Egyptian funerary beliefs: Imset, Hapi, Duamutef, and Kebechsenef.
Earth
Ausare (Osiris), the life-death-rebirth deity, was the fertility and agricultural deity. With his wife, Aset (Isis), he was the father of Horus. Ptah was the chthonic god. Chnum was the god of the Nile River delta.
The Nile
Annual Nile flooding was from the solar deity, Hapy ("runner"), and was the symbolization of the annual flood of the Nile River which deposited rich silt on the banks and allowed the Egyptians to grow crops.
The river Nile gave life to the entire Egyptian civilisation. Its annual spring floods bringing water and rich nutrients to fields that would otherwise be swallowed up by the Sahara Desert. The river provided food, transportation, building materials and papyrus. Egypt's new year was deemed to begin at the flooding of the Nile. The river's course, from south to north, was seen as being in perfect harmony with the sun god Ra's daily journey from west to east in his boat across the ocean of sky. It was the Pharaoh's duty each year to influence the gods and bring forth the floods, as well as organising the building and repair of the irrigation systems. His success or failure as a ruler was measured by the prosperity brought by the Nile. The Nile itself did not play a major role in Egyptian religious beliefs. It was known simply as "the river".
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:30 PM
Sumerian
Nammu
The universe first appeared when Nammu, a presumably formless abyss, curled in upon herself, and in an act of self-procreation gave birth to An, god of heaven and Ki, goddess of Earth (commonly referred to as Ninhursag).
The union of An and Ki produced Enlil, lord of wind, who eventually became leader of the pantheon. After the banishment of Enlil from Dilmun (the home of the gods) for raping Ninlil, Ninlil had a child, Sin (god of the moon), also known as Nanna. Sin and Ningal gave birth to Inanna (goddess of love and war) and to Utu/Shamash (god of the sun). During Enlil's banishment, he fathered three underworld deities with Ninlil, most notably Nergal.
Nammu also gave birth to Enki, god of the watery abyss, or the Abzu. Enki also controlled the Me, holy decrees that governed such basic things as physics and complex things such as social order and law.
This accounts for the origin of most of the world as we know it.
Antares
Apr 18 2005, 08:33 PM
I think the egyptian is my fav. :cool: