Now take this theory...the higher Self of the Earth, charged with every deed and misdeed done over the eons...that vast amount of energy stored...if a psivampire managed to tap into that storage...what would happen? Do you believe it is possible?

I do not fully understand it myself, nor can I even honestly say that I understand anything in relation to it. Only that I think I do. But I when you say divine conciousness, I kind of equate this to a universal "soul". When you say conciousness of an individual I equate this to an individual "soul". Soul for me means - and this is the best ways I can now think of *now* to convey it - "all that you were, are, and ever will be". Perhaps that part of you that stays the same even in your dreams - how you think, feel, etc even when it is a whole other reality. The part of you which was the same even when you were a very very young children supposedly just beginning to "reason" (think). This "soul", it can be in your current life/time or perhaps (whether it is actually true is a matter of belief in reincarnation) 10,000 years ago - and it is still (in theory) the same. The difference lies in the stimuli - the experiences - brought forth in that life/time. Again, that which is the same no matter where or when it is "brought" or "journeys" to. Time is nothing then when speaking of this then because it is encapsulated outside of time. I am pounding it again and again because I feel it is extremely hard for others sometimes to understand my beliefs: Before you were physically born, while you are physically alive, after you are psysically dead -- This part is the same. A thousand words into a few here that I wonder if any will understand what I am getting at: the link between (?)

The "universal soul", I know so little about to speak of I am sad to say. I surmise that in whole or part it is logical to think that together all of our individual souls make up the greater "universal soul". What the heirarchy is, how it interelates for sure I know not. But to me this would be the real nature of your question given my current beilefs - what it translates into.

I would think that to certain extent, some things can be done using only your individual soul and tapping into it (again anoher way to convey it and significance: Think of it as you after you have died and lived your life - somehow all the memories of your life retained, etc). Mostly this is probably knowing your own future, those around you - certain events - things of this sort. "Vanilla psychics"

The next interaction would be connecting with the souls of others - perhaps this would be explain certain telepathic encounters. Chance coincidences of meeting people, etc. Certain "abilities" then occur because we are connecting to other souls in some undefined way. (Or maybe this occurs more indirectly with the universal soul collectively -- with a few "islands" (people/souls) establishing paths to one another.

What you probably more mean now, the final one I can think of now and divide from the others - really more of the previous but on a grander scale. Resonating/connecting with the souls of many (perhaps all?) creatures somehow. Magickal acts one might say. Impressing upon the ether or astral, I have heard another say. With this, the question is probably best: what could not be done ultimately and why? One (so perhaps people of certain other beliefs can relate) might look at this, if they are a person of conventional modern religion believing in God as asking "what can God not do" or perhaps "what can one with the force of God behind them not do?". Possible - of course. Very.

Please excuse the long diatribe about it. This was just one of those times where I have to ramble so that there is even a chance of being understood I feel. Anyway, I like the question - thanks for making me think about it. Take care.

a psy-vampire trying to feed on the spirit of the Earth its self, brings to mind of someone tossing their toaster into a particle accelerator and thinking it will still work.
I braught up this in another thread in this section about serge protectors and problems shielding and energy levels when dealing with a supperior force.

or better yet, a psy-vampire is like a mosquito trying to suck from a blue whale in this analogy it wont feel it but in an instant with out even noticeing it has killed the mosquito.

So, in other words, by tapping into the universal soul, and learning to use it constructively, you would gain god-like powers? It sounds reasonable, and is, in a way, a rather scary aspect if someone managed to do it. This sort of links into the mind over matter thought, that everyone is capable of omnipotence. I'll post an article here, that I find very interesting, concerning that.



I'll think this over some more, and get back to you.

Well, something would likely occur, yes, I would say. However, god like powers is quite optimistic. More likely I would say that godlike things would occur, not necessarily that one would be able to control them especially right away.

I am not sure but I liken the part to which we speak of as a "vote" of sorts. Where perhaps other "souls" come in alignment with the desired result or the "cause". So it is no longer just the one doing the "deed" (as you put it) but many. And it seems that one must somehow share some things in common with the others in order to resonate. Experience seems to indicates this, but I can't be sure.

The power of belief. Shaping reality with thought. I believe that, I see that. But I feel that there is a more interactive process that occurs, especially for more universal things which are grander in scale (affect many). For the small things though, I could not deny such a link as being very likely - I believe I have seen it many times and continue to see it. Unfortunately, in the past, mostly negative.

One problem with the "godlike powers" of being able to influence everything by belief/thought to turn your way. How does one normally learn? How does one strengthen themselves within if they never live with the consequences of mistakes (or make none) or are never forced to? How can they function within an environment of other "people" and co-exist if they are bound by no true rules? Imagine a child who goes through life like this and what that result would be and what they would grow up to be... Even if it wasn't an issue, one would probably soon enough get sick of getting their way all the time and would long for a surprise or challenge of some sort where they would not get what they want. For us somewhat regular people in this world it seems like a lot of this mind over matter alteration ability has limitations or is largely uncontrolled. Perhaps the key is more within the subconcious (and so harder to predict) than in the full mental state of awareness - which given the above is probably a good thing. But now I just if anyone will ever be able to form a nified theory that will hold and what the result of that would be?

I liked the article, it got me to consider some things. It makes a lot of sense in many ways. Some other people brought that up with me once but did not fully cmplete it to where I understood, the article went a long way towards going in that direction, but still I miss many things about it. Thanks for sharing it.

I recommend the book "Occult Tibet" for this discussion.

When I would meditate it seems as though manifestations would become reality on what ever my belief would be at that time on a more subconscious level rather than actually trying to make it happen at will. Usually trying to make it happen at will never worked. But on the subconscious level many manifestations occured, some good, and not so good. Some even took me by surprise. I do think that there is a colective conscious but where that is, is unknown. Maybe the earth? Maybe the entire solar system? Tapping into the earths energy sounds plausiable to me, but tapping into the colective conscious I'm not so sure of. But then again prayer to me is a form meditation. It brings forth manifestations which seems to me to come from some sort of energy force....

I've seen that but in a different way (not traditional meditation). Intense focus on something to the point of reaching a "maximum", then altogether abandon it, forget it. Then it happens, given varying degrees of time. Usually there is some degree of doubt in there too. This has happened many times. It seems this goes against the traditional teachings of the power of belief: that you will that this occurs - and through the power of belief, it does. With the element of doubt it can even appear (to me) that it is the exact opposite - doubt and it turns true. Though, if one is familiar with choas magick at all, they might agree that this is a method of performing such magick - a way to bring it into the unconcious where it will surface to manifestation. It has been said, after you do something, forget it.

On the other hand, while the most major/heavy things I have seen (if it is that and not some other explanation) have been to the above patern and more seemignly moderate/minor things have occured based on belief (with direct concious positive thought). One of the ways I have for solving problems is to get into the problem and explore it from all angles (dynamic thought), exploring all possibilities imagined. What would happen is that, for a time, things would occur to make it look very much like the possibility being explored was the true answer. Things would come true or fall into place and happen depending on the belief I had at the time.

But I wonder though, where is the unification of these? And what about external factors. For example, I know that other beings/people/etc interact/reside within the same reality I share - often influencing me. How do their desires/wills relate with mine and the common reality?

I tend to focus more on the soul or creative aspects versus the natural energy qualities. This is probably a shortcoming that I need to consider further.

About prayer, I think it to be much like a magickal act/cast/etc. When it is sincere and true, it is extremely powerful and manifests in the same way. When it is without these qualities, it is mere words with nothing behind them.

But, wow, I think I am finally seeing something here in that we both (as well as many others) see largely the same thing but have different explanations and outlooks. Prayer when working in a magickal way, can be seen like a meditation. So too with a ritual or magickal act. Both states of mind, and my experiences mesh with that. So I now see unification there in that a certain state of mind is like the front door/gate whereby "things" may "enter" and "leave". But what passage do they go by/come from and to/from where for sure? But perhaps knowing of the front door is enough at least for now.

Anyway, very cool. One of those things you knew somewhere but did not, you know? You've now helped me quite a bit with this. Thank you. :) And this whole thread has helped greatly too. Though I am honestly sort of embarassed about it. lol. Oh well...

I belive that this in some essence is what God is, though putting a label on it and trying to understand it's magnitude and influence is futile. It is the fundamental truth of all religions, when you filter out all of the small details all religions have.

To qote the hostess: So, in other words, by tapping into the universal soul, and learning to use it constructively, you would gain god-like powers? It sounds reasonable, and is, in a way, a rather scary aspect if someone managed to do it. This sort of links into the mind over matter thought, that everyone is capable of omnipotence. I'll post an article here, that I find very interesting, concerning that.

Me: .. Your going to try it, aren't you? j/k. Any way, my mother use to tell me to spill all my anger and feelings (And such) into the earth. When I tried to feel the earth at all, I asked it a question, which my mom said was bad. I asked it what it felt, and I felt nothing really, but a lot of energy. Something kept saying my name, and then when I asked it if "it" wanted me to put my anger in there, all of the bugs around me started to crawl out of the ground. I know this sounds blankity nuts, and I do too, but do you think this is related to the topic in any way? Any way, I don't think were supposed to put things in the earth, and instead maybe take something and in some way give it back. Sorry, that's probably a little vauge, and creepy.

Lee.

Could you link me to that thread?

I agree with you there, in order to get anything out of this you'd need an amazingly strong mind, or the blunt force of it would give you a massive mental overload... It may not kill you, but it would most likely send you right into a catatonic state, because your brain wouldn't be able to process that much.

External factors are there. I think rather we realize it or not we are being influenced by many factors. TV, raideo, friends, family, and even the unknown. It's weird, when this stuff first started happening to me the one major influence I had over me seemed to share a commen reality with me, though different in it's own respect. My belief in the other reality intertwined with my own and it somehow fuled the fire within me without me knowing it. (You may remember to who it is I'm referring to) So now it's like when I try to get some of that "influence" back to be able to manifest things, it doesn't happen. To a degree it does, but not with the same intensity it used to be. I doubt that I'm trying to hard. I've tried everything, even forgeting about it and just letting it happen, and still nothing. I'm missing something that I need to figure out in order to get back what I'm looking for. Rather that's possible is yet to be determined.

Don't feel embaressed about any questions. I've had some that would top yours anyday...lol... Anyway, it's all realative in theory. I still think if one can think it then create it, anythings possible...

I'm glad my babbling has helped. I wanted to say hi since the last time we chatted. It's hard to find the time any more to get on the net and play.

In time, control would be possible though. Assuming your sanity survives the first impact, it should only be a matter oif time before you adjust. Although, in some cases, insanity would maker it easier to accept, and control.



How would that work though? Would you be able to communicate actively with these other souls, or would it be more forces pulling in their own directions? This vote idea is a bit new to me, so any ellaboration would be welcome.



I tend to lean towards the belief that this is more common than we think. Children playing, for instance, to them their toys are alive. And for all we know, they are, because the child hasn't learned yet that toys are only toys, inanimate objects. A teenagewr, wishing so deeply, so honestly, that some other teen will fall for them. I've always found it illogical that the person you fancy, would also fancy you, when there are so many choices out there. Especially when it happens so often. Something has to draw these two towards each other.



That is a good point, and most likely why you never hear of people being born fully ascended...it's a process, where you reach a higher and higher level until your soul is so educated, so enlightened, that this learning process of childhood is no longer needed. The soul will know what the brain yet doesn't.



Keep asking..I'm no expert myself, but I'll do my best to answer anyway.

Well...I never said this was a good idea...*winks* I think your mother has some very good ideas though, although I'm unsure of using the earth as a mental wastebasket... It seems like a rather easy solution to me, not to mention a bit unhealthy to the earth...

the spirit of the Earth can easily handle it, but thats not to say she wont be a bitch about it. "thats to say you need to deal with your own emotions not just dump them in the ground "an some sources would say emotions fall in the region of air mysticism so its recommended to discard them if need be into the wind and into the sky.

I have allwase had a connection with the ocean, it can relieve me from both mental and phisical ailments, I find it to be calming and energising at the same time, there is also an element of danger to the ocean that for some reason I find appealing.

I'd wager a guess and say your personal element, the one your soul connects to, would be the best direction to look in... Like me, I prefer fire...I've always worked best with that. And Fire, for me, is the best way to discard of negativity, it devours everything, feeds off of it, and grows stronger. I just have to be careful not to feed it too much. But that doesn't mean anything can just be dumped, without thought, or sacrifice. There is no learning process involved in that......

Definately there are external factors. I just kind of call it other souls (and/or entities) interacting with me, influencing me. It is quite a challenge though to seperate what is from "you" and what is from the "others" sometimes. As it is now I will just throw up my hands.

Things still happen here, little things. The dreams, just when you think it is gone it just comes back, yet another a few days ago. Anything active which is occuring now for me, is extremely subtle. But looking back this is the way it always has been - the little things always being there in between the moments of huge manifestation and occurance. The "X" year pattern/cycle I talked about with you once. If it holds, I have a few years to prepare myself for it - and I'm glad about that. If it is negative, I hope it does not come at all though to be honest. Who would want that? I'm wanting something "positive" this time, and I'd say there is a good chance of it.

There was some talk that maybe you follow that pattern in some way too? Perhaps it is just time from this end that is dictating or maybe even someone?

LOL. It's embarassing because it is soemthing I already knew of put did nto put it together in that way. I saw difference when there was really much simularity. Such a simple thing really that elluded me. It's helped a lot to see that things are much the same - because before I seemed way to freaky in the way I was which had me wondering.

I'll have to contact you again the other way and give you a better address to reach me. I don't check the other one as much and I missed it.

I think it is easy to end up (mostly) insane in many ways while it is occuring, particularly if it leads you in ways in which you originally did not want to go. The process of [sudden] expanding things (limits) I liken to shattering glass. When everything shatters, you can move way too fast into things in too many directions if you are not just able to "stay where you are" (defensive?). The mind is exploring outside what it knows and does not establish a "new" base or center right away. It seems to come with time.

Control. Like an "on/off switch or throttle" or total manipulation. The latter would probably be pretty bad considering how (I guess I can only speak for myself) immature one might be with that "power". I would probably not mind an on/off switch though. I think I would set it to "off" most of the time save for good reason though. :) Not caring (insanity - outside the world entirely?) would make things easier to accept because there is no pain in relation to it. But also total looseness without any sort of ground (total dynamic thought), seems to make one like a wave in the sea pulled along with it. There's no control there is there or am I missing something again?




The soul is the base (or so it seems) of everything that someone (etc?) is. Reason/thought is probably at least a level above above it. Thought comes from the soul? (so this world likely sprang somehow from the "world" where the soul resides?) So to with emotion, spirituality, etc. most likely. The most effective (if successful, but very very dangerous) way then to manifest change would be then at the level of the soul where everything else is changed with it. Like the root of a plant where nourishment begins and is brought upwards.

Communication probably more takes place in the astral / "other world" wherever souls exist. Almost surely timeless. Probably influenced by this world too (works both ways) but perhaps this due to the "state of mind" and sub/concious thought that was already discussed. Interaction.

Vote. Common causes, desires. Things in common. Common wants, beliefs? Wills? Time masks things surely here in this world. Someone might (seem to) be one way for a portion of their life, but they can totally change later on. But where the soul exists most actively, everything is "mostly" set - this time does not exist - almost for sure at least in that form. Surely changing a soul in nearly anyway in this other place has radical consequences if the soul is the basis for everything else having to do with humanity. Imagine one child not being born 10,000 years ago - can we imagine the difference that would have occured in the world? What if one of the child's decendents was Darwin, Einstien, Hitler, Edison, Telsa, Muhammed, "Jesus of Nazareth", Napoleon, Julius Ceasar, etc? A child is after all a result of a meeting of two people in a certain way, if you are rather simplistic about it.

Perhaps souls can be made to change (by interacting with other souls or the or "events" in the otherworld, etc.) or they can usher in changes to their real world counterparts, etc. But since a soul is more "set in it's ways" since it is a "lower level" changes are less often. Like a star which seems "fixed" in our short lifetimes, but given the ages it is revealed that it does shift.



Yes, I agree largely. Children learn things faster and are more adaptive - less restrictions and filters in place. We say it is an inanimate object. Because we think we know so much and this is what the world around us says. But sometimes these things we "know" get in the way of solving problems and understanding the world as it is, as opposed to how we take for granted what it is.

The teenager, well it seems that there is some biology involved there :) , but perhaps that is just the tip of the iceberg (at least in many cases). Surely people meet for a reason though, for whatever reasons.



I doubt a straight-pure soul would be able to function here normally with the common restrictions (body) in place. It would be like a fish out of water. What would be the point of being here? Imagine if you knew everything about your past present and future - not just little bits and pieces if you are psychic (which just that can be extremely painful sometimes). What would you do? Change it? But you know what that would do too, if you know everything as a soul. Boring, I would think. Horrible in some instances knowing things that will happen around you, especially to those you love. Maybe that is why we usually don't try to stay around or fight after a certain time?



Yeah, nor am I obviously. Just theory based on experiences, thought, and feeling.

I guess a question for you, do you think things like trees have souls of some sort? I am told yes, it seems. What about plants and animals? Can you explain how they (the souls) relate to those of humans? I am largely puzzled now. What about water or fire or even metal?

Sure... :meow: I missed our chats. It's always nice to learn a thing or two from someone with similar experiences.

I have a new address: StormShadow668@aol.com
Tiss as close as I could get to my other address when I moved. It's ok. I needed a new name change.

I get the feeling at times that something is going to happen in "X" number of years. Esp. when I take a look at the weather patterns. It seems that where I live the weather is changing. Last month it not only rained almost everyday (a month late) but the temps were July temps. Now it's June and the temps are below normal to where I'm cold. Go figure. I've been noticing weather changes in my area over the past few years. Rather it's nature just doing its thing, or something is slowly occuring. Which is nature really, but what is controlling it? Smog? Holes in the ozone? Polution of all kinds? A shift in the poles? lol Some sort of divine conscious? Beats me. But my gut keeps reinforcing this strange feeling I keep having. I guess I'll just have to wait and see....

What ever it is I hope it's good...

I know...If only I had paitence what I'm looking for will smak me right in the face. lol See though, that's what gets me. My "cycle" has always gone a certain way and what it's doing at presant as in being so dormant makes me wonder...What's up? lol I should take my own advice...Always expect the unexpected. lol

That just answered my question I have had for about 20 yrs. lol

Shattering of the glass...

I had a mirror in my rm when I was a young teen. I was into whitch craft back then and other not so good elements. I had this door sized mirror that hung on my closet door that wasn't lose or falling off. I was upset about my grandmother being in the hospital and I blamed it on my belief at that time. The mirror fell and crashed all over my dressor missing my head by an inch.

I've always wondered why that happened. Makes sence now. I was just begining to acknowledge (sp?) the "unknown" and I basically had no control over it. With that and my emotional state, I can now see why that happened. I was putting way to much negitive energy out there then. Thanks... :meow:

I do not think that it is anything that the mind can comprehend.
I believe that it has nothing to do with time, and even thinking of it as the same relm of time is misleading, for it is timeless....what they call eternal existence..what is all of us

Why? Do we have some sort of hard coded limit that can never be broken or something else? Or do you just mean the mind now or whatever.

I can understand (i think) the thoughts about time, but I am not sure what you mean exactly with the first. So I ask.

because I belive the mind is a tool to be used but through survival aspects the mind takes over us, identifying with our past to give us a sense of self and derive our meaning from our pasts. From the thoughts of the divine conciousness being timeless, it is something that the mind does not understand, because it is a part of us all already, and is our true selves, but that would go against what the mind has set up as our identity, therefore qwe feel mental pain when ever that identity is threatened and feel we have to defend it. The mind is a true parasite when given power like that, and doesnot want to comprehend this