What do you guys think about Nostradamus and his Quatrians? Do you think he really predicted the future or do you think it's just a hoax? Supposedly he predicted three anti-chirsts. Nepolean was the first, Hitler the second (although he calls him Hister instead) and the third should be arriving sometime in the near future. He also predicted that the end of the world would be the year 3797. What do you think?

SweetNightmares

As with many things, interpretation and translation comes into play with this one and not everyone agrees. Be careful, it seems every couple years all the Nostradamus experts come out and declare a new "antichrist" based on current world events. My advice would be to think twice about the interpretations coming from people who have been very hasty to judge meaning and have been wrong in the past repeatedly- overall it might show a lack of respect for the original "prophecy". Better that people are honest about what information they know and why they believe so rather than always saying "this is the way it is because I say so". Some people just seek the spotlight it seems.

I will say for myself though, that yes, he probably knew a at least a bit more than he should have no matter how I look at it. If you just read his quatrains, you might be interested in reading his letter to his son which contains some wisdom.

He predicted Hitler's reign and his name...almost to the letter, calling him Hissler. That alone makes me wonder what powers this man had.

Nostradamus gets half the predictions right, after all the election of 2004 he predicted a woman president "it doesn't seem like its going to come true"

although when they exoomed his body he was wearing a pendent with the exact time and day they opened it written on it.

He predicted a woman president for what country Rhuen? India just elected one. ANd, it could come true in America IF the president elect dies suddenly and he has a vice president that is a woman!

That pendant thing weirds me out. He must have known!

Nostradamus is often vague so I don't know what country he was talking about.

That's interesting but what exactly does he mean by "Anti-Christs" ? As far as I know Nepolean and Hitler might have done things that weren't very christian to say the least, but they didn't fight against God or anything, or start a new religious movement against him. They were more interested about their countries than religion.

As for the pendant...maybe he told someone the date before he died, and they knew when to open his grave. I believe it was done by two grave-robbers, but I'm not sure.

You know, there's flaws in everything. I'm not too sure if I believe in it. there's also something similar, about a biblical code, saying the world will end in 2012 <_< and it also predicted accurate stuff, I really don't believe in any of it though, cause alot of it couldv'e meant anything, and got misinterpreted into what we wanted to believe, so.

the world was supposed to end in 1999, but Nostradamus always had a get-out clause: he deliberately confused things so they wouldn't burn him as a witch.

The stuff about the Twin Towers is a little close to the bone. In Erika Cheetham's translation she even mentions he's looking at an attack on a "Centre of World Trade" (Le Jardin du Monde) Ok so that translates as Garden of the world, but I found it interesting she chose that particular translation ...long before it happened. Also, I can't think of anything else other than a skyscraper for the interpretation of "The road of the Hollow Mountains".

I may well be projecting my own interpretation to it, but certain quatrains do give me a chill, particularly the "Mabus" ones. He also speaks of 'Arethusa' a lot, which many commentators take to mean 'The spirit of war in the USA'.

when I consider all the variations of the bible that have existed "hundred" the idea of a bible code sounds like garbage to me, also its the Mayan calander that says the world will end in 2012 on dec 24.

as for anti-christs: Hitler based his movement on the Barbarosa legends as the rise of the third reich. as for anti-christs that doesn't mean start a relegion, the christ as presented in hebrew legend was supposed to be the person who would unite the tribes in peace. many believed that was Jesus so they followed him, but most Jews didn't because he didn't fit the prophesy perfectly.
so by this standard an Anti-christ would be someone who unites people/ or takes them apart. for the purpose of death and destruction on a massive scale.

Oh my god! I finally got to a computer that actually has Internet! Anyway, I don't know if I believe it or not. I mean from his quatrains it seems as though many things have come true. But also, his quatrians may be written in such a way that they could be interpreted any way.

SweetNightmares

I never put much faith in Nostradamus. I'm not claiming he did not have visions, but the way he has distorted the records, it's pretty much impossible to guess what his visions were. For every prophecy there are dozens of interpretations, and for every major event, there will be a verse you can interpret to suit it.

As for the 911 verses, they are fakes. A group of students wrote them as a part of a college assignment, to illustrate how he wrote his poems. They were never parts of his original prophecies, but surely proves how easy it is to misread in hindsight. They were posted all over the net after 9.11, when the hysteria reigned at its worst.

I don't believe Nostradamus had any future seeing abilities whatsoever. I don't believe anyone does either.

The connections between what he said and worldly events are purely coicidental and anyone that believes those things will happen do so merely because they want to believe it.

As for the pendant idea, I'd like to see some real proof of that, and I'd like to see what manner the date was written on the pendant.

the pendant was mentioned in a documentary called "Nostradamus: fact or fiction"

So what did they say or show?

Are you all talking of this one:

Desecration of the tomb of Nostradamus

The man who opens the tomb when it is found
And who does not close it immediately,
Evil will come to him
That no one will be able to prove.

Century 9, Quatrain 7

They have a little (more) blurb about it here:

http://www.hosting.mixcat.com/paranormal/nostradamus.html

Notice how some say the amulet had 1700 inscribed on it (the one given above) while others say 1791? Very suspicious. Has anyone seen this amulet/plate/etc? I don't trust the story myself yet, particularly due to the lack of specifics or support. Not to say anything bad about Nostradamus though - more most of the others, both modern and older.

the ones I am referring to I read directly from my 1973 copy translated by Erika Cheetham:

Century1 Quat 87:

Ennosigee feu du centre de terre
fera Trembler au tour de cite neufve
deux grandes Rochiers long temps feront la Guerre
Puis Arethuse rougira nouveau fleuve

Cheetham:
"Earthshaking fire from the centre of the earth will cause tremors around the new City. Two great rocks will war for a long time, then Arethusa will redden a new river.

Attack on New York? An explosion in the centre of the city of new York making the land tremble, or could tour here mean towers or skyscrapers? the two great rocks are the immutable great powers who will eventually open war. Ingenious commentators interpret Arethusa as coming from Ares, God of war, and USA. The new river is presumably blood"


Century 10 quat 49:

Jardin du monde au pres de cite neufve,
dans le chemin des montaignes cavees,
Sera saisi & plnge dans la Cuve,
Beuvant par force eaux soulfre envenimees

Cheetham:
"Garden of the world near the new City, in the road of the hollow mountains. It will be seized and plunged in the tank, forced to drink water poisoned with sulphur.

New York poisoned through its water supply? This is a fascinating quatrain with the idea of a water supply of a whole city being poisoned, more suited to james Bond than Notradamus. the Cite Neufve is New York. the jardin du monde is probably a way of describing it as a world centre. the next line is interesting. Could a road of hollow mountains be the nearest Nostradamus could get to describing a skyscraper? I am not quite sure what the tank is, perhaps Nostradamus is trying to indicate the controls or reservoir of the water supply poisoned with sulphuric acid?"

The second one is not quite as symbolic as the first but...stuff Nostradamus! I want more books by Erika Cheetham! She's not that far off and this was written back in the seventies!

that first one sounds like an earth quake or a volcanic eruption to me.

the second one sounds like New York now. have you seen the native rivers?

He has predicted things that have happened though...but just in different words. :rolleyes:

When someone actually quotes Nostradamus and predicts something before it happens it might be a bit more credible. If you have to guess, it doesn't count. :cofpap:

I would like to believe that he could

I agree with Rhuen here, the twin towers fell as a result of airplanes, from the sky, not from a earthen tremor. And two major countries attacking each other...well, that's nothing new...