No matter what theory you take.... as to the origin of vampires....

One would conclude that if you believe in their existence... you would also concede the fact that over time they must have... or are....changing and evolving.

So... what do you think. Are vampires decendants of the old legends. And if so... has this been an evolutionary process. A matter of abilities changing, being lost... being honed and prefected.

If you see evolution as addressing how vampires exist today....

Where do you see vampires being..... a thousand years from now. Well they still exist... and if so... in what manner.

This is the spot to talk about the future..... the possibilities....... of the those who are vampire.

For our nonvampire friends...... opinions please.

It should be evolution, like everything is...
You see, people only use a little part of the brain. As we evolve, we start using more, people might be able to preform telekinesis or use telepathic abilities. Or the psi-vampirism we're talking about here. I actually don't even see these as vampires... more like gifted humans, like empaths are gifted, or cursed if you want.
I don't have an evolution theory for the sangs, but one of them will post something here anyway.. I'll be having an opinion later.
Love NN

well the only reason that vampires changed over time is the fact that over time man's mythos' also changed, the dark of the night was replaced inthe dark in our minds/souls. so accordinly the dark that the vampire represented also changed, from a undead zombie to a new age biker/poet. the idea that man may one day show signs of higher brain functions that would be capable of harboring mental powers is one of such distance that to concern ourselves with it is moot. but the change of dark will happen in a more recordable fashion and vampires and all boogy men will change with it. be it vamping over a internet connection or vampires that feed on information, the new life's blood in this over populated age. so it is doubtful that blood drinking will stay fashionable other that in respects of those who resort to retroism to convey their message. in fact the idea of blood drinking in a STD age is almost laughable and it is stupid. but sadly for all the vamps reading this, your evolution and progress is so severly linked to the one thing you can not control effectively, man. its all in their hands.

I believe that our evolution will also involve the minds. Our spirits are quite advanced.

-Irishvamp-

its nice to say that a soul is more evolved then a mind, but in that case you had that soul before you were a vamp, an in that case every one on this planet has a highly evolved soul, and if you ever visit a wal-mart, you know that that is not the case. so how does one know if a soul is better then anothers?

Is there a future...Do you think there is one...ANd what will happen when the time for conflict comes our way...?

I completely agree that our minds will advance far beyond our bodies.

I think physically we will get taller...slimmer...and that the canines will begin to shrink as to be honest there is little use for them.

Um...i dunno

im not a great believe in evolution

is the advanced mind thing only for vamps, or for everyone? and if just for vamps then what makes it that way? the blood, the soul, or maybe just for show? to say that the mind is advanced, how would you know? what point does the mind say, "hey buddie i am all advance now!". i hope that some one will understand my question.

Sinner......before I was a vamp I was.....ah well how do I say this...not thought of yet. I am a classical vampyre. I have been around for quite some time now. I believe our Souls are more advanced than the mind. Simply because our mind will always have room to improve and grow. Where as we have already determinded the type of soul we are going to have, The deeds we do throughout life impact our souls. So for them to evolve we must change our lives completely..

-Irishvamp-

I tend to think that the soul and the mind are one so to speak. One cannot evolve without the other...As for vampires evolving. Well if you must depend on human blood, I would think your imune system would evolve to the point were it can fight off most blood diseases without a problem. Other then that I feel they would evolve the same way as a human. I can not imagine you are beings from another planet just a diffrent race of humans.

Interesting take on things...well said.

-Irishvamp-

Fablous topic, wonderful. Vampires would of course in my opinion evolue. My opinion is based on human evolution, we have evolued over the centuries and as the predator theory dictates you must evolue as well to keep up with the food source. Interesting discussion on the mind evoling. Our mind (as humans) are constantly evolving based on the fact that our basic needs are so available that we do not need to be preoccupied with those needs. Giving our brains more time to think about other things. A popular belief is as we grow to use more and more of our brain capicity there will be no need for our bodies. Which begs the question are PSI's the evolved form of vampires??

Ta

Citrus

Human beings are what is known as an apex predator. We(as in you) have populated the face of the earth because, when it comes down to it we kill better than anything else. We are a violent destructive and aggressive race. It is what we are condemned for and what made us the most powerful race upon the planet.

How could a race such as this allow a creature to feed upon it, to become prey to a predator. The vampire is a wonderful myth, so complex and potent but to be a reality it would have to surpass humans as the dominant species, become the apex predator and as powerful and strong as vampires are seen to be they are nothing compared to humanities destructive power.

This is the major flaw in almost all arguements for the mythical. Nature and evolution would not allow, and it is the most awesome force on earth.

The best thing about Humans (normal people) is that they have this desire not to believe in something unless they see it first hand... Even when they see it first hand they dismiss it because they dont understand it...

This alows Vamps to do what is natural to them with very little effort. The People that dont have this point of view most of the time become 1). hunters or 2). Made into a Vamp.

No you missed my point.

Thats your basic answer to a basic question.

My point is that it is impossible to deny evolution. Two Apex predators cannot co-exist. Thats why tigers are endangered. thousands of years ago we surpassed them, and would not allow a creature that fed upon us.

The sheer length of time it would take to evolve a species as diverse as the one you suggest is beyond the realm of human existance. We're bearly more than upright chimps. What your talking about would take millions of years to adapt.

And why would such a species evolve, to fill an evolutionary niche that doesn't exist?

Why wouldn't we believe in vampires, if they've co-existed with us for so many centuries..? They would have been as natural as any other beast, with powers greater than our own.

Who here has seen a wild tiger? And yet, you don't doubt it exists..? It can easily kill us, if we are caught without weapons, and it is hungry. It is faster, stronger and deadlier than us...and yet, we don't doubt it. Why should vampires be any different? You'd think eons of evolution side by side with vampires would have taught us a few tricks, eh..?


Anyway, that was beside the threads point.

You do have valid points, Taiwo. Also, if vampires did exist, and was as powerful as commonly claimed...you'd think they'd evolve a physichal appearance more useful than ours. Wiuth the body-structure we have, were not supposed to outlast about 140-150 years, because our back wouldn't be able to take the pressure. In order to last longer, we'd have to be shorter, stouter, thicker legs, preferrably a spine at least twice as thick...I saw a dataimage once...not pretty. Quasimodo was quite a looker in comparison. So why would this so-called 'master race' adapt our weak bodies? They've got no need to hide, if they were able to beat us...

Actually no! You said that our back couldn`t stand 150 years of life! They would because of our complete regeneration! But do we have stronger bones? I don`t know that!

Anyway how many Vampires will live up to 150 years? Very little! Only the most capable!

150 is nothing for a Real Vampyre...

As for the amount that are still around after that point , you are right , most real Vamps kill themselves after 100 years due to the fact that they get depressed , having seen all their friends, family die....

Most vamps could easily outlive a human.
I dont know if its our bones, if its our strength speed orwisdom.
I personally think its their fear.
Their fear of death, the fear that we often dont have.
But yes, to spend this eternity alone, we dont want it, that's why we sacrifice ourselves.

You know...i find it very ironic that if the vampires fear of the eternal loneliness...why do they become vampires in the first place? Besides even though vampires are stronger and more powerful than humans, still they have to coexist with humans if they want to survive after all who will provide them with the blood if all humans are killed off???

Just a thought:

Perhaps vampires are part of an evolutionary process that is still on going one that we don't quite see yet... perhaps that is also why there is no single common case of vampirism and why many scientists do not acknowledge the exsistance of vampires...

AAAAUUUUUGGGGHHH!


Olivia, isn't this the REAL vampires forum?

1st , can someone remove some of the A's , U's and G's from Creatures last post. it is mucking up my width.

2nd. Do you think that the goverment will realse information that they know about Vamps, please they cant even keep election promise , how you going to expect them to admit and give information about something that humans would fear more then a election.

Let me make a few points about Vamps. I'm not trying to get religous, But my points do come from the Holy Bible. I'm not christian, but I do believe in God. Only because I've talked to Him. that's awhole nether thing.
Cain is actually the first of us (Vamps). "Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said to him, therefore whoever kills Cain in vengence shall be taken on him sevenfold And the Lord set a mark on Cain." The mark of course being that of a Vampire.
I know some will find it hard to beleive, but that is how we came about.
My next point Vamps or not killers of man. *edit*. If we killed all the human race we have no way to feed unless we started to kill each other. There are more points I could make , but they go againist the rule of the board. So pm if you want know them.
My next point during the Biblical times humans aged to be 1000's of years old. Some even longer. It's after technology evolved that human aging slowly deterriated. So when Cain was cursed to be immortal. It's only natural that we evolved from Humans.




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So Xaixer, r u saying that God started the existence of vampires? However many of my christian friends seem to believe that vampires are evil and that it's Satan who create vampires.(i'm not saying that i do believe them but still there're some clarification needed here). If technology hinters our immortality, why none of the scientists found this out and stop the advancements in technology? i mean, don't most humans want to have longer life span...

So...your spine just keeps on growing, does it? As well as the rest of your skeleton? It would have to, you know, unless you're sporting a classic roleplay ring of regeneration...please don't say you are.

This isn't like healing wounds, you know...it's a constant strain on your skeleton and muscles, that in time will make it give in and break. No amount of cell reproduction will stop that, unless it is strong enough to heal every wound, regrow every broken bone in a matter of hours. Something that surely would catch the attention of the hospital staff, if case be that a 'vampire' ever had an accident.

I gotta say, Taiwo's got one hell of a point there.

It might well be one of the best phrased and well thought out point I've seen on here in a good while.

Good point clearwitch. The human form is pretty inadiquate. Muscle structures wouldn't support excess strength at such levels. I know we don't use our entire potential but pushing it without the training of a heavyweight boxer you'd push pull and strain all over the shop.

Also I believe in tigers because they fit logically into there surroundings. I believe that men landed on the moon because it is scientifically feasible. Vampires are neither. but raise interesting questions none the less. which is why we are here

You realize you've misspelled a common word while questioning her intelligence, right?



Gee, when you substitute a dead cell, what is it substituted with? Jello Brand Jello? Or, a new cell? So, when you have a dead cell, you grow a new cell to replace (substitute) them, and cells die (become dead) constantly.... in other words, constant growth of new cells. IE, regeneration.

Really, Branimir. You could be trying so much harder.

With constantly regenerating cells, do toenails spawn whole new vampires? Stalks the night, feeds on blood, entirely composed of toenal. Not quite the same ring.

My point excactly, Taiwo and creature.

Not to mention, if a child breaks her arm, it'll regrow, but through X-ray you'll always be able to tell that the bone has been broken. This despite the fact that cells reproduce themselves throughout your life, though at a steadily slower rate. The child's arm will be more prone to breaking again, especially if it was a difficult fracture. Again, despite cell reproduction. Now, a cell reproduction fast enough to prevent this, to prevent your body from breaking after 200-300 years of ardent use, will cause skeletal growth similar to that of the Elephant man.