Well, everyone has a different idea, a different theory, or a different observation about vampires and the bangnasty. Treat me to your thoughts about the creature with two backs, and let's talk about sex, bay-bee!
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Seriously, for everyone out there that says "vamps don't have sex", there's someone else that says "vamps do have sex". But everyone has a different reason or a different method, so let's hear 'em all!

I don't think vampires would do it any differently than humans would...

...except maybe with more biting.

Vampires accoarding to the legends were mostly spirits = illusion so no they cant make sex except if they had the ability to capture one's body.

Vampires refering to the immortal creatures with fangs that need blood to survive and cant stand the daylight and blah blah blah blah, i think its sensible to make sex.

Not to mention for HLV, its useless. Go figure.

for your normal Spirit vampire I think sex is out of the question except perhaps in the case of mental manipulations like the Irish warmth drinking spirit that can have sex with its host and make them interact with objects that don't exist so tricking the mind into makeing them think they are haveing sex.

if we include spirit drinkers as vampires Like the Succubus and Incubus then sex is part of the job description however thos are living reproduceing demons.

as for the normal undead vampire, sex is out of the question and is far from their minds as they stalk the country side in search of victims.

for "classical" its up to what ever the writer thinks is right.

*winks* I want to hear more of this ejaculating blood theory Rhuen has. :P

I agree with you real vampires do enjoy sex,ERRRRR..it is so true some author writes a vampire story describing the vampiric beings as non sexual,impotant and now we vampires have to be called freaks by some of the readers because we too are sexual like the human form.

Strange Days As I Always Say



P.s I like your thread it is very nice.

okay here is, The vampire drinks alot of blood, it mentally forces the blood into this "one part" of its body, this would make the rest of it look pale unless it was a glutton on blood, and while haveing sex it ejaculates the blood and thus infects the human with vampirism like a VD and thus now the vampire has a vampire servant with out any bite marks to give them away to vampire hunters.

"you know what I think I am going to use this in a book" :lol:

Need a urologist.

As far as libido is concerned, I dont see much libido in vampires...more distrato.
-Mythological vampires? No, they're walking corpses or floating spirits.
-Classical vampires? Well considiring they're characters of fiction, you can make fiction do whatever the fuck you want to, and therefore you can have vampires having sex.
-HLVs? Sure, but some seem kinda emo, and unlikely to hold a relationship.

Do you want to hear something funny? Out of all the fluids in the human body, the two that are most chemically similar are blood and semen. The difference is just the kinds of cells that float in them. Instead of red, white, and platelets, there's spermies. Both based off almost identical plasma.
Weird, huh?

Semen actually falls under mucous substances like spit or snot.
Blood has a similar plasma base, but its on a much thinner level.
If I remember correctly blood plasma is mostly water with sodium and aluminum-chloride.

(What is semen?)

spermies. are we five here. just kidding but why cant they they probably get more @$$ than a rental car.

Cum, jizz, spunk, man-glaze, ejaculate, spooge, seed...those ring any bells?

No, damienreborn, sperm is not semen.
They're two fluids that make up ejaculate, but they're not the same.
Sperm is grown in the testicles (and are the actual fertilizing tadpoles of doom), seminal fluid is produced in the prostrate (and is the mucous-based fluid that merely contains and delivers the sperm).

Vampirism in Victorian literature = Euphemism for sex

Bram had a frigid wife: what more need I say.

maybe,maybe not his insperation had to come from some where[pun intended]

Saturn, you know a scary amount about semen. I always assumed you were a chick, I just checked your pic and saw you there with the hip flask. That avatar is a little misleading, guys aren't supposed to have eyes that pretty. :P

actually Bram SToker was lampooning in his book the play boys that were gallavanting around Europe and America in his day. its was something a comical Satire in its day more so than a "vampire book", "at least thats the comments the book got from the critics of the day"

so bram wrote abook just to take the micky,respect :devilnaughty:

Bram Stoker himself admitted he was not being seroiuse about vampires in any sense, he was writeing a satire displaying his dis-approval of those rich play boys gallavanting around.

so he turned them into vampires,think they would of approved :devilnaughty:

they were offended by it, in Stoker's time the vampire was still in literature and belief an evil thing of Satan. so he compared their lustful behavior to the actions of a demon, and used what was at the time one of the most foul demons, "if you go back and read the books about vampires before Bram SToker's Dracula book you wouldn't see Lestat, Dracula, lillith, or any romantic beast, you would see a horrible disease spreading, blood sucking, virgin killing slobbering beast.

Well, I never said it was JUST about sex, that's an interesting insight, Rhuen, thanks. Yeah I can see that now, having said that I never lived in Victorian times so it would be harder to pick up on a century later and in a much changed world.

I've just read Bram Stoker's biography, by Daniel Farson ("The Man Who Wrote Dracula"), and one thing that comes across really strongly is that Stoker was a very emotive person. For example, when first meeting his future boss Henry Irving (a popular actor of the time) he rants raves and is so incredibly overwhelmed and moved by Henry's recital of a poem it is bordering on homoeroticism. Of course a Biography is never going to to be completely objective, but there is a suggestion that Bram tended to see things in black and white terms - I personally didn't see any subtle themes in his work other than the idea of eroticism and purity - and I'm usually quite a good literary 'theme-spotter'. His treatement of women in the novel Dracula, and The Lair Of The White Worm for example: Dominant or Submissive, Angel or Whore. There is little or no complexity to any of the characters, they fufil their role as plot drivers, and little else - I'd go as far as to say Bram Stoker wasn't a great writer, but a good one.

always the problem with books, in their time some book are works of art, but a few decade, a century later their not that good, or looked at as poor.
"with the exception of the Odyssey" but most are out of place for new readers and wont pick up on the subtleties and time specific references.
after all in 1910 books about endogenics were fairly common and liked by American and British critics, however write a book like that now and you would be labled a Nazi.

even a few decades apart and many books can be found flawed or a point missed, after all in the 1960-1980's their was alot of Martian invasion movies, ask a kid now and they say it was a corny badly written sci-fi. completly missing the point,
these "red planet" movies were symbolic of the fears of communism, something that at the time they were made was fairly obvoiuse.

or worse yet the old 1930's and 1940' Gorilla movies,
all the same Gorilla kills white men, steals white women, these movies in retro-spect were clearly racist.

Fiction is a good indicator of culture's hopes and fears. I'm sure the idea of giant monsters decimating Japan such as Godzilla and Rodan had a LOT to do with being nuked in WW2.

they had exactly to do with that

watch "Godzilla King of the monsters" its ant-nuke message isn't very subtle.

Rodan was a fear of disturbing the deep earth,

and Mothra the result of greed and dis-respect for nature "why they are the big three"

funny thing :Toho admits they got the idea for Godzilla from an american movie "that was alot less succesful"
"The Beast of 20,000 fathoms" they felt though that our nuclear lizard monster wasn't big enough or strong enough to display the horrors of nuclear power.

So, at the risk of going further off-topic - in fact would like to continue this discussion in literature or movies if you want to post something (yours is the right because you have the brains): how does current literature and Film reflect our attitudes today? In Japan we now have Hentai and Anime, the french don't seem to write about sex much anymore, Fantasy novels and art have evolved into a mighty money spinner. I suppose in another 50 years or so it will all seem much clearer. Would like to know your thoughts on that if you can find somewhere to post it - as it straddles a lot of categories here.

I created a thread over in movies for this discussion, so we can return every one to their regularly scheduled program "vampire sex" :lol:

Vampires have sex? ;)

I don't see why they wouldn't, unless we're talking reanimated corpses come back to suck the blood of the sleeping. I think they would be more involved in just getting their plasma dose as opposed to doing the horizontal mambo...

I mean, if vampires have a need to feed, a need to rest, a need to find shelter, a need survive...then why not a need for sex?

Just as an aside to Nightvision's comment about vampirism=sex, there's also a very strong link to drug use...

Great zombie Jebus, Pier, are you trying to get Rhuen started again?

Now, I'll grant that in modern fiction, vampires as portrayed these days can make a great metaphor for drug abuse. Especially in Poppy Z. Brite's Dead Souls. Now, a hundred years ago or so, there might have been overtones of that theme as well as the sexual aspect, but that would have hit the scene after Bram Stoker wrote Dracula. Before that point, it was all about creepy monsters in the darkness, which really was all that people had to be afraid of back then, their fears were rather unsophisticated. Then the culture grew up a bit, enough that monsters under the bed just didn't get people's hearts racing, so the vampire legend evolved as well, turning into an embodied phobia of symbolic rape, castration, ostracism, sexual predators, dependent personalities and venereal disease. But as of about twenty or thirty years ago, vampire stories altered somewhat again, allowing the drug angle to be represented in the fiction.
Actually, it might be more recent than that, Anne Rice is a writer of that second generation where the metaphor was almost purely sexual. It would be interesting to see what the first book was that had a clearly recognizable drug angle in a vampire story.
Old stories (like Rhuen's myths and lore) nasty filthy corpse monsters.
Newer stories (Dracula, Varney, Lestat, Sanct-Germaine, Ruthven) sexual metaphor.
Newest stories (Anita Blake, Nothing, et al) sex and drug metaphors.

Is that so?
I always thought that Varney the Vampyre, or The Feast of Blood was about as strongly suggestive of drug addiction as I've seen in the old works. A person tormented by a need to sate an overwhelming habit, and who eventually ended his unlife rather than risk coming back.

"Did someone say my name over here?"

oh yep, I see, fuly agree, said just about everything I would have said.

"is there such a fear of drawing my attention and getting a five paragraph or so history lesson?" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMG someone actually knows about Varney. Killer!
I suppose someone could interpret the story of Varney, especially at the end with the whole volcano-suicide thing, as being a slippery slope of drug addiction, but really I don't think the author ever considered that parallel. Maybe a sex addiction, but not drugs. Not that drug addiction was unknown in the time and place that it was written, but I don't think anyone would have thought to use vampires as a metaphor until .. oh, hell, the first book that I can think of that had any resemblence at all was Whitley Streiber's The Hunger, although the parallel came through clearer in The Lost Boys. Now, I'm not saying that there is no metaphor of drugs in Varney, I'm just saying that I don't think it was intentional. The only thing to relate Varney's story to the story of a junkie is that he keeps coming back and making the same mistakes. But the same can be said of any addiction. And Varney was definitely addicted to the tang.

Rhuen: It's not so much the history lessons, I enjoy learning whenever I can. But you can get really hyper when you have to repeat yourself, and I wouldn't want you to suffer an apoplexy because you thought that someone was referring to Peter Plogojowitz as a sexual metaphor.

Rhuen - me? Afraid? A Jedi knows not fear...that leads to the Dark Side....

Khrym - thanks. I also remember reading a commentary on Varney, comparing him with another angsty vamp, Barnabas Collins. One can debate Varney's addictions, but certainly in the old house at Collinwood, the parallel is inescapable...especially with the attempts at "detoxifying" Barnabas.

I really hadn't made the drug connection with "The Hunger" until just now, her vampire-esque human pet, when he started to with draw from her blood's influence and needed more and more blood to prevent him from becoming a zombie creature.

yay a fun topic anything to do with sex is good,
i recon vamps do have sex i recon they shag like rabbits

You can't ignore the opening of Varney, though: it's a rape fantasy. I maintain that the sex aspect is very strong in this book. In those days, drugs were pretty legal and available, and there was a distaste for drug addiction rather than a fear of it

Well, if we look at the vampire in a religious slant: a vampire is suposed to be the embodyment of all that is wrong according to religious scripture. In most religions, casual sex is bad, in most vampiric literature the vampire is a regular sex-machine.

By that rationale, vampires have merely reflected societys attitude towards sex.

If we look at recent literature - the vampire has always been a pretty cool cat. In recent years, since the Age of Aquarius (the 60's) it's been considered cool to shag about.

I rest my case.

pier khrym and rhuen you have all lost me in talking about whatever that was. i thought you were supposed to talkin about how the vampires ride.

older folks like to reminice about books, it distinquishes one to be able to point out more than just recent movies and television shows.

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Ohhhhh, the fun I could have with this...

Oh wait. I'm one of those "older folks". Dammit!!!

*sigh*