I AM NOT a wanna be but i have seen all of the up AND downs of being a vampire but I still want to change to a darker person please help me ???? :ph34r:

Okay, 'darker' people always have good to obsessively perfect grammar. It initimidates everyone else. So, capitalize your "I", and don't use those horrid run-on sentences. Only one '?' is needed, and the smilies definetly don't help the 'darker' persona that may emerge in you.

Holy Shit! I'm typing with one hand it is awesome and yes it's true we do have quite good grammer and spelling. But, sometimes we just fuck try as we might!

"inner beast ritual"

set up a mirror to stand on the floor, place it about five or six feet away from where you plan to sit. turn off all the lights and light sources and place a candle halfway between you and the mirror "best to do this on a cement floor or other non flamable surface :you'll know why after if done right" sit down comfortably , cross legged lieing with head proped or what ever you find comfortable. make sure to have all sorts of food available near by in a cooler or little refrigirator "do not attempt this on kitchen floor!" now with every thing ready "no incense by the way or herbs, in fact a little book lamp or something may be a better idea than the candle but the flickering light helps."

like I said with every thing ready get comfortable face the mirror this way clear your mind and try and look at your eyes, left to left and right to right, and with no thaughts repeat this phrase over and over again

"not in violence but in peace I release the beast with in"

or sense this is how it starts to sound

"I release the beast with in, not in violence but in peace."

"results vary and so does the duration this takes, if nothing else if you fall asleep you should have a very interesting dream."

but if nothing else this little meditation should help you see what your "darker" side is really like and if you really want to persue the "dark" path ^_^

I don't understand. What is a "wanna be" then if ir does not describe you - a person wishing to become a vampire or at least a darker person? I'm not trying to be insulting, but you have me confused now.

The darker thing, I don't really get either. What makes one "Dark"?

Will you explain please?

I hear make-up and tanning booths help quite a lot. <_<

hello Faithless,

You won't like my saying this, but you are having an identity crisis. News for you: one doesn't just suddenly become someone else because it 'suits' them better. The best you could ever be if you tried that, is a fake, and people would know.

You want an air of mystery and to be different in some way. You want to believe that there is something else. At the end of the day you can only ever be you. Experiment with different ways of dressing and expressing by all means, but don't wish you were someone you are not, because it can never be, and when you're older, it will all make a little more sense.

Why in hell's name would someone want to turn to the dark?
I'm a psy for quite some time now and I realized that the darkness should never trully overwhelm one. Please explain to me why you want to change yourself... Do you find it attractive? Do you want to be "cool" or...? It's a puzzle to me.

A wannabe is usually someone who pretends to be what or like what they like. (confusing sentence I know, but correct. Darkside! =Þ)

Tough the literal meaning would be someone who wants to be something, someone who admits they aren't and asks how to become it is not nececarely a wannabe by the common meaning of the word.

And dark is just a peference... dark and light are not connected to good and evil, and prefering either or striving for a balance, everyone has their own way with it. Considering darkness is only limiting in physical sight it's not that importand. So I'd say the reason people go for the darker side is just self expression.


Anyway, you can't become a vampire if you aren't already. It's not how it works. If you like darkish style, just embrace it as what you are, and change who you are instead.

ok mister all i have to say is just live the way you want to dur

Thanks for the information on "wannabes". I can now see a difference, whereas before I could not. So, you think this is what s/he intended then?

"dark"

-- still a bit puzzled on that. I think I know what it commonly seems in the one context. It is things such as "black" magick, "evil", anger, death, destruction, chaos, etc. But still, s/he wants to be a darker person they say. So you mean that they only seek to express that which already lies within when epressing such desire as opposed to actually changing themselves? I guess that makes sense. But I would consider myself "dark" in that I have associations wit such things. But I do not actively seek to express this generally in daily life. Just what I feel I must. So what am I then? Dark-repressive perhaps? ;) ... But seriously, does mere desire define whether one is dark or is it more their nature or something else?

wait wait! this person says he/she wants to go to the dark side. Obviously we should be getting Pier in here for his expert opinion.

This sounds like a dialog from STAR WARS.

"hoow hoow... Join the dark side, Luke... hoow hoow"

I'm laughing my ass off...

Hey man this is not a joke .So back off of me ok

most people will say not to or make fun of you, however I find it important to know every aspect of your self, that meditation I wrote out
I called it the Inner Beast Ritual. is very effective in finding out what ones other side is really like, I my self have done it, however its not a good idea to do it unless you have a high fear tolerance and don't mind techniquelly being insane for a few hours to days after words "the impact of a successful inner beast ritual meditations can vary from individual to individual but tend to be life changing in almost all cases.

edit "sustituted dark with other as not all people see a darker aspect of themselves but it does have a habit of being more "aggressive" about life, but not really what we might call dark.

How long did it take you to get do with the Beast Ritual???

the first time took two hours, I may call it a "ritual" but it is actually a meditation, and they are never quik. :)

"that is it took two hours for the effects to begin, than it lasted until morning after it really got going."
it induces a wakeing dream "not a day dream" that allows a talk between you and your "more natural" aspect of your psyche.

"" I origianally had "darker" there but that didn't sound right when I read it again.

Thanks man but did any thing set on fire ??? AND ??? Did this answer all of your questions ??? AND ??? Did your darker side answer every question???

I doubt it...

I leave for three days and come back to this???

Oh man. *goes back to read the inner beast ritual and laugh some more* :P

if I were to describe a calming meditation and you doubted it and thaught "bull shit" than even if you tried it it wouldn't work, also I think I mentioned the mirror and paying attention "no one will get it right the first time" it takes practice, it took two hours AFTER I did it right, it could take ALOT longer if your mind wanders, if you doubt, if you get distracted, or if you think anything "not easy to repeat the words "which can be thaught or whispers" I think I forgot to say not to say it loud. also its best to do this when their are no noises anywhere. "distractions" also I never said ALL my questions about my self got answeared or how for that matter, the meditation is designed to be done before sleeping with no new information to induce a special dream or wakeing dream for some. and when you are looking at your reflection it should appear to "black out" "fade away" or "change its shape" after a while, "this is more your mind trying to distract you" it is simply something I said MIGHT work, its no more guarnteed than any other psychosis or meditation.
oh and Nemesis Chylde I don't know what you believe in but no matter what it is someone somewhere after hearing it would think you were mistaken, full of it, even evil, or maybe they might just laugh at you,
like the atheist who laughs at the christians who jump up in church and run around thinking they were just touched by the holy ghost. or maybe how different religions and philosophies will laugh and scoff at each other as "foolish"
its like some say anything that you find usefull in helping you is okay, if one thing doesn't help you that doesn't mean it wont help someone else, so you have no right to scoff at something just because you don't subscribe to it.

Oh my lord. Rhuen - I wasn't laughing at you.

Not directly. What I was laughing at, is the way you posted it. Or something like that. Mainly the way it came across as I was reading it. It reminded me much of Creature's posts. Difference being you were serious, Creature almost never is in posts like these.

The thing is, I can see that there may be some truth in it. But your noob here, is going to go about it all the wrong way. That's just what I see happening. And that's the other thing I was laughing at.

See, this is what I envision happening. Your noob is going to focus a bit too hard, and instead of being enlightened, his/her mind is going to start playing tricks on them, and will likely see herself as a demon or something worse.

*sighs*

No, Rhuen, not laughing at you. Just at the consequences.

I see your point, I am have never been very good at articulateing my self the first time I write something "In my stories I alsways go back several times and make many corrections, I have no such luxary here so It can come across kind of off.

I forgot the expectations thing, I shouldn't actually have said "darker" side after all some people see themselves as a bunny even when they themselves are goth, "I laughed when I hear that but only after words" it probably had to do with her secretly likeing bunnies. I should have said not to go into the meditation with any expectations as to what will happen, nothing is guaranteed to happen or what for that matter, so like I said I shouldn't have said "darker side" in fact its designed to actually meet your animal totem not some inner demon, "I wouldn't post that one" :ph34r:
this is more of a self awareness type deal, see what is really under the surface, it might not be the dark vampiric monster you might expect it could be cute and fuzzy for all anyone knows. :)

the thing is the way I typed it out is how I wrote it in my book of shadows which is really just foot note so to speak and not really detailed as I know what I mean, guess I should have double checked it to make sure it sounds right, I have tried to do that in these replys.

so to correct my self "inner BEAST ritual" not the beast, more of an inner animal spirit type deal not demon.
designed for insight into your true nature, you may be more "dark" or nicer than you thaught so DO NOT go into it with any expectations. :)

the version I have is not the original version, in fact I created this method as it is less time annoying and can be done more frequently, here is the original method.

on the night of a new moon when there are no clouds "a clear night", "that is the time annoying thing not only does it have to be a new moon but also a clear night "not good odds in many places"
next find a clear and still pond or lake "so new moon, no clouds, no wind"
sit leaning over it "no comfort options"
and perform the internal chant I mentioned before.

this is time consumeing and if you mess up "another month till you can practice again"
and a change in weather can disrupt it. not to mention all the distractions outside, bugs, hoots, animals, distant voices, and sounds. so I created a facimily to practice and thats what I posted, candle in place of star lit sky, and mirror in place of water and distance because the picture showed someone sitting on a rock over looking the water. :)

JUst one more question ...where did you read the ritual from and where can i get this book???

its Native American, and I saw it a really long time ago in a book I got from a library about Native American mysticism, and I have tried to find it again and failed so if anyone recognizes the meditation than feel free to tell me the book's name, I remembered the picture on the front, it was an indian guy looking into a pond with a wolf or similar animal looking back at him, I think the cover changed and I forgot the title "that or someone stole the book from the library" that happens all the time with mystical and occult books.

I thought exactly the same thing myself. :D

Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side will be completed!

I think it has to do with negative energy patterns.

Negative energy? now that is vague. there can be negative thaughts but negative energy is common place "electricty for one". the elements are negative and positive as one. to harness one you must use the other as opposites attract.
and one can not exist with out the other so anyone who says they want to harness only one of the two energies they do not understand even the basics of mysticism, and should go back to playing with there magic kits like good little brats.

question: sorry, it is a bit off topic, but faithless, what does the symbol at the bottom of your avatar mean...the one with the three loops? I used to draw it on stuff, but I just sort of liked how it felt to draw, never knowing what it was...

I would like to start by say Rhuen do you have any other ritual I was impressed by it maybe we talk some more about then and your stories as well I to write.

I have several mediations and things that are properly classified as rituals, most I would not like to post, but if you are looking for something specific than please ask, for me and others might have what you are looking for.

You want help with turning to the "darker side" of life? Ha. If you need the help of others to make you realize what's in front of your face, then do not even bother. But if you really must have advice I would say to you, don't be so childish. If you are not a very "dark" person then do not try to be. Do not follow others' footsteps, it will do you no good.

Rhuen do you have any on increasing ones own natural power. You said that you write I do also maybe you would like a sample let me know.

Tomarrow I will check in my book of shadows to see if I have any "enhancement meditations or rituals." I don't generally do anything involving anything special, for increasing ones own awarness and such its basically a practice makes perfect type deal and short cuts are generally a bad idea anyway as many can become addictive I hear and you never really get better and become dependent on the enhancement.
what genre do you write in?, I don't even know what to clasiffy what I am writeing other than some sub-genre between fantasy, horror, romance, adventure, a little sci-fi and what ever you classify secret societys in. when it is sold they will probably just stick it in the "other" or general novels area, or fantasy.

enhanced meditations? I would be interested in that

well looked it up, all basic meditations are enhancement mediations in the sense of enhanceing ones mental and spiritua; strength, but different ones work for different people, so I would recommend looking up just meditations for mental and spiritual strength and seeing what works for you, or which ones you are comfortable doing.

Thanks Rhuen I really want to thank you for checking those rituals for me. I write in the sci fi granda thanks again. I have a web site with one of my stories up on it if you want it just let me know ur email

tThis inner beast native american ritual youre talking about, it involves a week of fasting first. We natives always break away as far from the physical as we possibly can before attempting anything like that.

And Faithless, You are either A) vampire or B) Not, simple as that, leave it alone. You want to be darker, odd. Its not often you hear someone want to change their personality, their outlook on life, ect. Usually people have their beleifs, their ideas, their likes and dislikes, and leave it at that, but to ask to be able to look at things in a new light like that, i find odd. You are who you are, you like what you like, leave it alone. Why do you want to change? Attention? To look like something you've seen before? I don't get it....

Isn't there supposed to be eating after the ritual is done? I think that was part of the food thing I mentioned with the cooler, but I only ever fasted for two days prior to attempting it, I think most people with their poor dietes and being use to constant food couldn't survive a week of pure fasting, or is this just the no eating before sunset or after sunset type of fasting "then maybe i could make it a whole week and see if it is any different."

The longest I've fasted for was a week and a day. That was no food, no sleep, just water on the top of a mountain. I had quite the experience in that altered state of mind. Human beings could handle it, they just don't know the difference between desire, and need very well. People with poor diets are eating foods that provide them very little vital energy, which is why they feel the need to eat more. And yes, eating is a very good idea afterwards...... <_<

a whole week with out sleep is not a good idea for the average person I would think, at least not right away, I recommend for any one reading us talking to each other that a few days at a time to practice, as even two days with out sleep can cause several psychosis problems, this is very altered, I believe I simply put to do the meditation late at night as thats enough for a basic encounter, a whole week sounds like a once in your life full revelation, as opposed to the small insight I was mentioning. Most people might just want to see their inner beast but not get the full spiritual enlightenment ordeal. most modern day "relaxed and easy" environment people just can't handle such a thing. Mentally or Physically.
Even I after just three days of no sleep did my adaptation of the ritual and felt after words, their is no way most people could do that and stay sane after words.
"I am not sure I am still sane :lol: "

I believe the symbol you are referring to is known as a Triquetra. It can mean the Holy Trinity as per Christianity, but I think in this instance it is the Celtic/Wiccan/Pagan Triquetra representing:

The Goddess as Virgin, Mother and Crone
or
Life, death and rebirth
or
Earth, air and water.

It is usually represented with a ring superimposed on it bringing the element of eternity.

It is a wiccan symbol . Because i have a lot of wiccan freinds ...

It is a wiccan symbol . becase a lot of my freinds are wiccan...

Back to the original topic - how to turn to the 'dark side':

Use the Fork, Luke.

Exactly :lol:

ok a few comments.
first off why seek the darkness, you will find out it is already within you. know thy self that includes your darkenss.

second the native ritual as it has been called is a twisted verson of the original. I am not to fond of the new version you have posted. it twists somethinng pure and desined for self enlighten ment into something for destruction. you have a chance of loosing oneself within and never returning the same.

and faith the sign is not wiccan in origin. the wiccans do use it but that is not its origin. if anyone is curious a good book to get imfo on it and other things is
the inner temple of witchcraft.
it is very well written and is good for any one who is into magic to look into.
from just being a beginer and or well advanced.
for all of you hear that I know most of you would find the book useful.
and for the few who I consider more advanced it is a good refresher and resourse for imfo.

of back the original subject.
meditate and delve into your spiritual darkness.
and find your other half. within the darkness. acting dark and being dark are two different things. any one can act dark but few truel know darkness

What happens when you turn to the 'dark side?

the variation is NOT designed for destruction, it is an adaptation for those who can't get anywhere to do the real version, "its a simulation" a weaker version of the original designed for a "peek" into your inner self, perhaps practice to see if one would want to go the full ten yards later.